parklane1
Tony Galvin
Correct of course, but on the other side there are only three sides who have scored more then we have. Stats can be used to show a lot of things and are usually done so to TRY and prove a point.
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Antonio Conte - officially NOT the coach of THFC
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Correct of course, but on the other side there are only three sides who have scored more then we have. Stats can be used to show a lot of things and are usually done so to TRY and prove a point.
tommysvr
Vedran Corluka
When did Hugo do that?
The other side of that is we have won the 4th most games and scored the 3rd most goals. It's funny that many think we are too defensive, with the formation being very defensive, yet we concede a lot and score a lot.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
You (sensibly) avoided the Arsenal game I suppose?
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
I think the issue there is is appears feast of famine. I mean we spanked Palace which scoreline but were equally spanked by others in places. And we have had some high scoring games like Bournemouth and Leeds where I would argue the volume of games was more entertaining that the level of football TBH
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Is this some sort of straw man argument?
Who’s said he hasn’t improved them or done well?
using Fred and Shaw as your comparison we could quite easily say Conte improved Davies and Dier couldn’t we?
why does one manager doing well (Ten Haag), mean that another manager (Conte) can’t have done well as well?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Indeed and lets not forget Royal as well.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
ironically Royal's best form has come with Conte absent!
I jest.
A lot pointing to the fact we have scored so many goals, do not disagree, we have the best forward in the league after all. Which comes back to my point about being flexible and perhaps altering our approach when needed. if we can't rely on a shoddy defence, and have wonderful attackers, maybe take advantage of that by playing football with more focus on the attack and not sat back with a low block which is easily penetrated.
I jest.
A lot pointing to the fact we have scored so many goals, do not disagree, we have the best forward in the league after all. Which comes back to my point about being flexible and perhaps altering our approach when needed. if we can't rely on a shoddy defence, and have wonderful attackers, maybe take advantage of that by playing football with more focus on the attack and not sat back with a low block which is easily penetrated.
There is no best manager, there are managers that are well suited for a club/moment
- Pep would not have gotten Madrid to spank Pool yesterday with that Madrid squad
- Conte could potentially have a higher ceiling then ETH with the right players
- I suspect ETH would do better with our squad than Conte, so probably would Howe, and perhaps 2-3 others in the Pl right now
That said, United really improved once they added Eriksen, Casimiro & Martinez, plus dumped Ronaldo, so fixed midfield (defensively and creatively), improved defense and started to play to a system vs. a player. If you add in what they spent for Anthony plus wages for that lot, it's a fair chunk spent
True, though if you look at xG we're 7th in 'for' and 8th in 'against' - so unless you think xG is meaningless (which I know many do), we're equally poor at creating and preventing chances
and personally that does chime with how I've seen things play out on the pitch too (i.e. not just going blindly by xG stats).Edit: And I'd say we've been bad at conceding chances more due to player error than system, vs bad at creating chances due to system (although there's no doubt some player performance in there too, SON!)
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alekaras
The ITK of IDK
If Conte doesn't sign an extension, then Gallardo or Simeone would be great. Simeone's contract runs out in 2024, but it stipulates that he must make CL, else it's gets terminated (although I'm sure Atleti will offer him a new one anyway, but it leaves an opening). They're 4th now and doesn't look like they will lose that position, but who knows. Gallardo is an interesting one and worth taking a punt on, given the success he has had at River Plate. Probably one of the best managers to come out of S. America and we should pounce, if we're looking for a manager at the end of the season. Poch for me would be a distant 3rd. And interesting that all of them are Argies.
We must have an elite striker and a dodgy goalkeeper or something to explain that
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I remember wanting either ten Hag or Nagglesman when Poch was sacked. It was such a stupid thing not to replace him with a similar style manager and to embark on this regression to anti-football.
Simone? People are complaining about Conteball, how do you think they'd react to the brick that Simeone serves up?
Simeone is on £35m a year.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
That indicates that we have good strikers and a poor keeper (which has pretty much been the case this season).True, though if you look at xG we're 7th in 'for' and 8th in 'against' - so unless you think xG is meaningless (which I know many do), we're equally poor at creating and preventing chances
Edit: And I'd say we've been bad at conceding chances more due to player error than system, vs bad at creating chances due to system (although there's no doubt some player performance in there too, SON!)
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
Its absolutely diabolical football, worse than Jose and Conte....its a BIG no
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
From what I have read, they only produce the eye-gougingly bad, negative football against the big teams in an attempt to get the points and play good, expansive football against the weaker teams (though I’ve not seen that myself as I’ve only really ever seen their big games).
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
And only 6 teams have conceded more.
Diamond Lights
Alan Hutton
again though, "the system". No one else seems to play a 3-4-3 variation, certainly not Top 8 and i said this other day, name me another team in the PL who does? We got our arses torn apart from Arsenal because of the system.
Maybe, the issue is the system, but against weaker opposition it's less exposed (not always, Villa, Leicester).
But strong opposition, United, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Arsenal, City (not so much as their tactics actually complement ours as an outlier) - we struggle. I mean, proof is in the pudding, wasn't the City win the first team we've beaten all season in top 6 or so?
Maybe, the issue is the system, but against weaker opposition it's less exposed (not always, Villa, Leicester).
But strong opposition, United, Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Arsenal, City (not so much as their tactics actually complement ours as an outlier) - we struggle. I mean, proof is in the pudding, wasn't the City win the first team we've beaten all season in top 6 or so?