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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Bedfordspurs said:
Again, I didn’t say we defend well
I’ve also highlighted the main issue, repeatedly
Stop conceding basic crosses and we cut down our goals conceded in half
How we do it, I don’t care. That’s up to players and Ange but it’s worst than Childs football the way we defend simple crosses
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I think it’s worse than just being isolated to crosses. We don’t defend well individually or as a unit nor do you ever look at us and think yeah we will keep a clean sheet today. It’s always 3 or 4-1 rather than a 1-0 but you need to be able to win 1 and 2-0.
 
DeanoAustin said:
One of my question marks over Ange is something I really like about him. It's how big picture he is. He doesn't sweat the details.

1. Last year when we had injuries? "It's not ideal but it's fine, injuries happen to everyone"
2. International matches? "It's a great honour for people to play for their country"
3. Subs v Brighton? "Wouldn't have made a difference. We weren't competing"
4. brickhousing? "Don't see the point. Don't know what it is".

It's a brilliant attitude in terms of keeping perspective. However, a lot of winners at this level seem to be detail-oriented to the point of obsession. Would you get the same responses to the above from Fergie, Wenger, Jose, Pep, Klopp or Conte?

I'd love his approach to be successful because I love his ideals and it's everything I believed that football should be when I was growing up. I do wonder though if he's so far out of whack with so many managers who've won at this level that his approach is fatally flawed. That perhaps he'd be better in an "upstairs" role eventually.
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I think he is detail oriented. But different details than some other managers perhaps. And he seems quite good at focusing on the details that matter.

Looking how we play, how we press and play through pressure. Looking at how we use the full backs and wingers. How we use our midfielders. I think there's a lot of focus on details there.

But he's not sweating the injuries, internationals or stuff he can't really do much about. I think that's a good thing.

I also think he's trying to instill a different attitude in our squad. And I think his "big picture" and focusing on stuff we can do something about that is part of that.
 
The desire and attitude of the players has to be right. We have to compete fully and go at every game with full commitment.
That is why we can look so good one week, then look rubbish against the weaker teams.

It is mentality.
 
Jurgen the German said:
I think it’s worse than just being isolated to crosses. We don’t defend well individually or as a unit nor do you ever look at us and think yeah we will keep a clean sheet today. It’s always 3 or 4-1 rather than a 1-0 but you need to be able to win 1 and 2-0.
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True
But that’s all semantics if we deal with those scanrios
If we dealt with basic (not great or amazing) crosses we would have kept a clean sheet vs Lestah, possibly against Brentford (that was a great cross and finish), West Ham, palace.
We wouldn’t have lost vs Brighton
Potentially we wouldn’t have lost vs Ipswich
That’s a big upside in some of those games where we would then be sitting higher
We ain’t there yet but the majority of these goals are so so bad
Address this then you can look at CBs pressing at the half way line when they have no chance of getting the ball which is another recurring them of failure
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Again, I didn’t say we defend well
I’ve also highlighted the main issue, repeatedly
Stop conceding basic crosses and we cut down our goals conceded in half
How we do it, I don’t care. That’s up to players and Ange but it’s worst than Childs football the way we defend simple crosses
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I've said it before, I don't think Ange really cares about defending properly, just about outscoring them.
 
if ange doesn't care about defending then jedinak should or ange should make him.
something seriously wrong - we now have pretty good players and options to keep us at least top 6
something must change soon
 
metalgear said:
if ange doesn't care about defending then jedinak should or ange should make him.
something seriously wrong - we now have pretty good players and options to keep us at least top 6
something must change soon
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He does care about it
But it’s an odd narrative that fans have that he doesn’t
When has he said he doesn’t care about it?
 
Mrs Vert said:
I would tend to agree, its either that or they drill defending and these lot are just failing spectacularly at understanding it, cos honestly its like its brand new information for them whenever they concede....the EXACT same goal every week.
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Yep
That’s what is so frustrating
But I do believe we are suffering from not having an6 spare coaching time to rectify some of the issues
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Yep
That’s what is so frustrating
But I do believe we are suffering from not having an6 spare coaching time to rectify some of the issues
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We had lots of spare coaching time last season and honestly we got worse the more time we had. So I'm not sure more coaching time is the solution and truthfully if we are to be a successful side then the current schedule is what we should expect. Ange is going to have to get a handle on a game every 3 days, it's just what it is.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
He does care about it
But it’s an odd narrative that fans have that he doesn’t
When has he said he doesn’t care about it?
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You only have to see him on the touchline when we let in a sloppy goal, face like thunder and shaking his head.

You can be critical of him in terms of our defensive displays, but to say he doesn't care about it is nonsense....
 
Bishop said:
We had lots of spare coaching time last season and honestly we got worse the more time we had. So I'm not sure more coaching time is the solution and truthfully if we are to be a successful side then the current schedule is what we should expect. Ange is going to have to get a handle on a game every 3 days, it's just what it is.
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We did
But that’s why it takes time
Last year we barely played the same team twice because of injuries (de ja vu) but it looks to be that in the summer we addressed the set piece and counter attacking issue
I’m not sure when, if at all, we will address the spineless defending of crosses
But knowing us we will find a fix and lose a key part of it
 
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Mrs Vert said:
I would tend to agree, its either that or they drill defending and these lot are just failing spectacularly at understanding it, cos honestly its like its brand new information for them whenever they concede....the EXACT same goal every week.
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I concur
Bishop said:
We had lots of spare coaching time last season and honestly we got worse the more time we had. So I'm not sure more coaching time is the solution and truthfully if we are to be a successful side then the current schedule is what we should expect. Ange is going to have to get a handle on a game every 3 days, it's just what it is.
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Last year he said only one game a week was a weakness when it came to our development, this year we are now blaming lack of practice time for our failings?

I've seen people claim they want us to get knocked out of Europe to help with the fixtures , help what exactly?
 
Legohamster said:
I've said it before, I don't think Ange really cares about defending properly, just about outscoring them.
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You may not think Ange cares about "defending properly".
But.
He.
Does.
He doesn't want us to defend deep with 10 men behind the ball, but he does care about defence. He just feels that attacking and pressing is a great form of defence.
You (and many Spurs fans) want a better balance. But he does care about defending.
 
Legohamster said:
I concur

Last year he said only one game a week was a weakness when it came to our development, this year we are now blaming lack of practice time for our failings?

I've seen people claim they want us to get knocked out of Europe to help with the fixtures , help what exactly?
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Whose claimed that ?
And who is blaming a lack of practice?
I’ve not seen any of those comments
 
I think I'm gonna give this game a miss (and still end up changing my mind to get annoyed come 7.20pm) does anybody think Ange will be here come xmas if we get like 8pts in next 8 games?

I will still ride out whatever storms are coming while moaning but we have to see something thru as long as not properly dire
 
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