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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

parklane1 said:
He gave me one of the best nights as a Spurs fan when we beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, it was our first win there in over 20 years. Most of my cousins were all Utd fans and were always giving me brick about our record there, boy did i have fun after that game.
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What about winning at Arsenal and Liverpool under Redknapp in the same season?
 
Muttley said:
Another manager I have a soft spot for. Finished his playing career and took a degree in social sciences and followed up with a masters in business and emotional intelligence. After a couple of years in semi-pro management, he did more hard yards (7 years) in Sweden getting a 4th tier team promoted into the top tier and into the EL.

Only then did the world start noticing him at Swansea and Brighton. I still think there is a fantastic manager in that guy who has worked incredibly hard all his career. It's a shame that he left Brighton actually.
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Amen....what he did to progress his career is massively impressive IMO, easily mocked by those who don't get the game IMO
 
Muttley said:
I've never stopped scratching my head about AVB. Even after us, he did well at Zenit. He got the most league points at the time, before Poch came along and he had Bale playing his best football for Spurs. Then we bought the famous 7 with the Bale money and it all went pear shaped.

What I always thought was that Sherwood should have gone when Redknapp did. I always felt that AVB was part of Sherwood's personal agenda to rule the world which obviously came crashing down in the end. That agenda also included stealing all the credit for the amazing work that Inglethorpe and Ramsey had done for many years rebuilding our academy. Sherwood had the ear of the chairman and his knives into AVB and left a trail of destruction. More fool Levy for not knowing better as well. Swindon had to learn the hard way as well.

I still have no clue whether AVB could have been a decent choice given a better set of circumstances and without the toxic Sherwood around the place.
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I’m amazed The record points thing still gets talked about. It’s been bettered at least twice since 😂
 
Baleforce said:
Yes, but hadn’t ever been managed before.

And only twice, despite our elevation and greater resources since?
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Yes one of those seasons was obliterated by 14 points under Poch with signings like Clinton Njie instead of Mane and Vincent Jansen! I’m surprised more isn’t made of Redknapp winning at the Emirates AND Anfield in the same season given our putrid records at both grounds where we haven’t won since in the league in almost 15 years btw.
 
parklane1 said:
Not as good as winning at Old Trafford imo, as i said it was great to give some brick back to family members who were always on the dog and bone after another loss up there. 20 fudging years.
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Fair enough. I think winning at two bogey grounds in one season trumps one but I get winning at Old Trafford was a big deal at the time. But we have won there under Sherwood, Jose, Poch and Ange since.
 
FatBloke said:
Quite. AVB was and perhaps should have been a great fit. After Jol and Redknapp had pulled us out of the doldrums and made the Big 4 into a Big 6, he could have been the young modern manager who could have grown with us and taken us to glory. Instead, it all went wrong and we ended up (eventually) with another manager, Poch, of a fairly similar profile IMHO. Who worked. Apart from the glory bit, of course, but he got us so damn close.

But, much like buying players, appointing managers is a roll of the dice.
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I just remember AVB for crab football.

Needed a bit more adventure.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Like Jose and Conte, if you play rubbish football then people will only tolerate it if you win. If you play dire football and the results are crap then it’s only going to end in tears. He also didn’t help himself sticking to that high line even when he didn’t have the personnel to play it (see the 5-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool with Dawson playing CB using said high line). He was a likeable guy but the results and performances weren’t good enough ultimately.
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Part of why I like Ange's approach and why I think in some ways it's "pragmatic". It can buy you a bit of time that you won't get with boring football. Rough patches of form and results are likely whatever system you play, with this system we're a bit mye likely to come through the other end without it all ending in tears.
 
braineclipse said:
Part of why I like Ange's approach and why I think in some ways it's "pragmatic". It can buy you a bit of time that you won't get with boring football. Rough patches of form and results are likely whatever system you play, with this system we're a bit mye likely to come through the other end without it all ending in tears.
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I think it’s the opposite, I’d give more time to the person at least trying to keep goals out, making games boring reduces the chances of losing.
 
One of my question marks over Ange is something I really like about him. It's how big picture he is. He doesn't sweat the details.

1. Last year when we had injuries? "It's not ideal but it's fine, injuries happen to everyone"
2. International matches? "It's a great honour for people to play for their country"
3. Subs v Brighton? "Wouldn't have made a difference. We weren't competing"
4. brickhousing? "Don't see the point. Don't know what it is".

It's a brilliant attitude in terms of keeping perspective. However, a lot of winners at this level seem to be detail-oriented to the point of obsession. Would you get the same responses to the above from Fergie, Wenger, Jose, Pep, Klopp or Conte?

I'd love his approach to be successful because I love his ideals and it's everything I believed that football should be when I was growing up. I do wonder though if he's so far out of whack with so many managers who've won at this level that his approach is fatally flawed. That perhaps he'd be better in an "upstairs" role eventually.
 
braineclipse said:
Part of why I like Ange's approach and why I think in some ways it's "pragmatic". It can buy you a bit of time that you won't get with boring football. Rough patches of form and results are likely whatever system you play, with this system we're a bit mye likely to come through the other end without it all ending in tears.
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Fair points. I’m fairly relaxed about Ange and think he needs time. He does however need to sort out why we keep leaking so many goals as we can’t win 4-1 every week.
 
DeanoAustin said:
One of my question marks over Ange is something I really like about him. It's how big picture he is. He doesn't sweat the details.

1. Last year when we had injuries? "It's not ideal but it's fine, injuries happen to everyone"
2. International matches? "It's a great honour for people to play for their country"
3. Subs v Brighton? "Wouldn't have made a difference. We weren't competing"
4. brickhousing? "Don't see the point. Don't know what it is".

It's a brilliant attitude in terms of keeping perspective. However, a lot of winners at this level seem to be detail-oriented to the point of obsession. Would you get the same responses to the above from Fergie, Wenger, Jose, Pep, Klopp or Conte?

I'd love his approach to be successful because I love his ideals and it's everything I believed that football should be when I was growing up. I do wonder though if he's so far out of whack with so many managers who've won at this level that his approach is fatally flawed. That perhaps he'd be better in an "upstairs" role eventually.
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I love those ideas too, and that’s how kids should be coached, that’s what sport is all about.

The Premier League isn’t sport, and that won’t work here.
 
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