Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
No it isn't. It's about adopting to a change in the game.That is no comparison between a change in a law that takes place on the pitch and the introduction of VAR, and for you to try and make a comparison is daft at best.
No it isn't. It's about adopting to a change in the game.That is no comparison between a change in a law that takes place on the pitch and the introduction of VAR, and for you to try and make a comparison is daft at best.
Why change the ref out of black.No it isn't. It's about adopting to a change in the game.
I think he was making the general point that any change, regardless of what it is, will always bring controversy at first until it settles down.That is no comparison between a change in a law that takes place on the pitch and the introduction of VAR, and for you to try and make a comparison is daft at best.
While a lot of calls are subjective the elite clubs will benefit from VAR, in both decisions and what will be reviewed.I always said one of the main reasons using video has been opposed for so long is because it threatens to make linesmen redundant eventually. That and the threat to the elite clubs of fairness.
I always said one of the main reasons using video has been opposed for so long is because it threatens to make linesmen redundant eventually. That and the threat to the elite clubs of fairness.
Different refs have different styles / tolerances I would not like thisThe best solution would be two referees - one for each half of the pitch (like ice hockey). That instantly kills the megalomaniac egos, and ensures they are closer to the action
Its not a technicality its the rules - either they are applied or get rid of them. Instead of you fuming its left the other half of the country who 1) know the rules or think it was offside fuming- its a bad use of VAR.
I have provided you links with the view it loses spontaneity this was separate to the Penalty call, this is a big part of the reason why people (no idea if its a majority) in Italy and Germany think its drastically changed going to football.
Just because it is over debated, doesn't make the debate relevant."
I am only getting my opinion from podcasts and what I see in the news but I thought that there has always been issues in Italy due to the removing spontaneity and the belief the big calls go to the big teams still. James Richardson also mentioned that they went from over using it to now drastically under using it and this is also causing issues as it seems to be underused for the unfashionable teams and used to the benefit of the bigger.
Again the impression I have about Spain is they are resigned to using it rather than wanting it.
* I don't mind the Times football reporting / podcast but I do find them more than others to have their own views and ignore evidence to the contrary.
They went to VAR. Perhaps they broke a rule, or perhaps you dont know them as well as you think you do?
@parklane1 youve gone a bit quiet mate
There is an argument against VAR that people WANT the mistakes, the human element. There is apparently proof that it exists and guess what? People moan about that too!
@parklane1 youve gone a bit quiet mate
From my perspective I can handle human error always have been and I know that might be just my view but thats where I stand with it, in the same way human error is in the game from manager selections and player mistakes, it happens, ref mistakes although able to highlight were never in my opinion that bad that they needed to be addressed.
Supporters saying it works its just badly applied, well for me thats the same thing, the application is all part and parcel of the same package that is VAR to me, people not being able to used it or implement it properly is not a valid excuse for VAR in my opinion.
only a fool would think that VAR could stop managers trying to blame others for their team's mistakes.
Tell me how the below can be misinterpreted? - You say the right call was made about half the people I have spoken to are convinced it was just offside, what is clear is they didn't follow their own criteria.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-5---the-referee
Video assistant referee (VAR)
The use of video assistant referees (VARS) is only permitted where the match/competition organiser has fulfilled all the VAR protocol and implementation requirements (as set out in the VAR Handbook) and has received written permission from The IFAB and FIFA.
The referee may be assisted by a video assistant referee (VAR) only in the event of a 'clear and obvious error' or 'serious missed incident' in relation to:
The assistance from the video assistant referee (VAR) will relate to using replay(s) of the incident. The referee will make the final decision which may be based solely on the information from the VAR and/or the referee reviewing the replay footage directly ('on-field review').
- goal/no goal
- penalty/no penalty
- direct red card (not second caution)
- mistaken identity when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player of the offending team
Except for a 'serious missed incident' the referee (and where relevant other 'on-field', match officials) must always make a decision (including a decision not to penalise a potential offence); this decision does not change unless it is a 'clear and obvious error'.
My links were fine, there is no proof out there as yet as there has been no mass poll what it does show is there is discontent with VAR and how it is changing the flow / spontaneity of the game.
From my perspective I can handle human error always have been and I know that might be just my view but thats where I stand with it, in the same way human error is in the game from manager selections and player mistakes, it happens, ref mistakes although able to highlight were never in my opinion that bad that they needed to be addressed.
Supporters saying it works its just badly applied, well for me thats the same thing, the application is all part and parcel of the same package that is VAR to me, people not being able to used it or implement it properly is not a valid excuse for VAR in my opinion.
But you do know that is why it was introduced don't you? That was part of the stated reason to introduce it.
Refereeing decisions are not the real problem here and never have been. The real problem is the ludicrously disproportionate attention devoted to discussing refereeing decisions by managers. The number of actual injustices is minuscule compared to the rage of managers in the past.
And that in large is down to managers not being able to look at themselves in the mirror and accept that maybe they lost due to their own issues ala Mourinho.
My issue with this moving forward is thus....for me VAR or haweye etc only really works when used as sparingly as possible. Thats in every sport. Will football accept its sparing use on just the absolute howlers or will it evolve in the sport to be something that is used as a panic button because of the rage that could follow a bad decsion? The reason again the technology was introduced to avoid. In a sport thats so fast paced and full of subjective decisions based on force or intent there is a very VERY dodgy line here that needs to be established on when the system and how often it is used.
For me football is not about establishing the absolute facts, not about getting to the bottom of why someone may have fallen over and the effect it may have had on the game, not about a perfect science, if I wanted that I would watch dots on a screen.
But you do know that is why it was introduced don't you? That was part of the stated reason to introduce it.
Refereeing decisions are not the real problem here and never have been. The real problem is the ludicrously disproportionate attention devoted to discussing refereeing decisions by managers. The number of actual injustices is minuscule compared to the rage of managers in the past.
And that in large is down to managers not being able to look at themselves in the mirror and accept that maybe they lost due to their own issues ala Mourinho.
My issue with this moving forward is thus....for me VAR or haweye etc only really works when used as sparingly as possible. Thats in every sport. Will football accept its sparing use on just the absolute howlers or will it evolve in the sport to be something that is used as a panic button because of the rage that could follow a bad decsion? The reason again the technology was introduced to avoid. In a sport thats so fast paced and full of subjective decisions based on force or intent there is a very VERY dodgy line here that needs to be established on when the system and how often it is used.
For me football is not about establishing the absolute facts, not about getting to the bottom of why someone may have fallen over and the effect it may have had on the game, not about a perfect science, if I wanted that I would watch dots on a screen.
As to the implementation, as I said to rusx - its a work in progress. One that is improving on every testing IMO.
I didnt know what was going on and thats frustrating.