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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?


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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think Sherwood would be exceptionally foolish to turn down the chance to work under LvG. He won't ever again get that kind of chance again, and it would be far better for him as a coach learning his trade then going off to Norwich or Blackburn.

I said yesterday that what I'd like to see is LvG mentoring Sherwood. Make it a decade-long project, with a handover somewhere in the middle. That way you have LvG getting instant improvement on the pitch, Baldini and Levy looking after medium/long term recruitment, and Sherwood gaining experience under a master before stepping up. That's what an actual joined-up plan would look like. That said, LvG, Sherwood, Levy and Baldini would be four big, big egos to accommodate.

I agree, and that's what I was hoping for when Sherwood was first appointed.

However his comments have been very clear on this, he's not going to step down into an assistant role without looking very foolish to the press at least.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I agree, and that's what I was hoping for when Sherwood was first appointed.

However his comments have been very clear on this, he's not going to step down into an assistant role without looking very foolish to the press at least.

Seeing as he can't open his mouth without doing so, I don't see what he has to lose ;)
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I agree, and that's what I was hoping for when Sherwood was first appointed.

However his comments have been very clear on this, he's not going to step down into an assistant role without looking very foolish to the press at least.

I think he's too stuck on doing it his way for it to work. It will be another car crash waiting to happen.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think Sherwood would be exceptionally foolish to turn down the chance to work under LvG. He won't ever again get that kind of chance again, and it would be far better for him as a coach learning his trade then going off to Norwich or Blackburn.

I said yesterday that what I'd like to see is LvG mentoring Sherwood. Make it a decade-long project, with a handover somewhere in the middle. That way you have LvG getting instant improvement on the pitch, Baldini and Levy looking after medium/long term recruitment, and Sherwood gaining experience under a master before stepping up. That's what an actual joined-up plan would look like. That said, LvG, Sherwood, Levy and Baldini would be four big, big egos to accommodate.
sherwood is a c0cky so and so and probably thinks its a waste of time being LVG's assistant....... anyway he has already said he wont be anyones number 2
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The only teams AVB didn't play were Southampton, Stoke and West Brom. Or have everyone else gotten a lot better since the first half of the season?

11 of Sherwood's 19 games have been against the current top half. AVB had played 7 out of 16 when he went. Think slightly tougher fixtures is fair comment?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think he's too stuck on doing it his way for it to work. It will be another car crash waiting to happen.

Would obviously have to be with an understanding that he wants it and is looking to learn and improve under a top class proven manager.

Right now I don't think it would work either, because he's been so clear on not wanting that.

All things considered right now I just want him gone and for the club to move on asap. I'm not sure we need him back as a technical director either with Baldini in place.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Several frequent posters were vocally unhappy about Sherwood when appointed as a continuation of them not liking Sherwood at any point including when he was our technical director. I don't think I'm misrepresenting Gutter Boy, Scara or Steff by including them in this just as an example.

You're certainly not misrepresenting me.

My major dislike of Sherwood comes from some pretty glaring character flaws which don't seem to have improved. In fact, many of the issues people are unhappy about seem to come from those flaws.

My issue with his (severe lack of) tactical acumen stems from his vapid attempts at commentary on Setanta, suggesting a very simple view on how football is played. The success of such an approach is obviously an open discussion, but I have no doubt left as to that opinion playing out in his tactics.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Quite right. There are obviously several posters who were (and a couple remain) vocal in their opposition to AVB's dismissal. We're a broad church here, if you look hard enough you'll find every conceivable opinion on the issue expressed by someone. I think - as forum readers - we just tend to notice the posts we disagree with a lot more than the ones that we agree with or are neutral about.

At the time AVB left, I'd say this place was roughly evenly divided on the issue with perhaps a slim majority in favour of him going (though most would have chosen a different replacement). But that's clearly grown to a substantial majority over time. Back in December I was firmly in the "give AVB until the end of the season" camp - but I've since modified that view... if even half the rumours are true (and we don't know if they are) about AVB's attitude to the job and the total breakdown in the relationship between various parties at the club, then - reluctantly - I would accept it was probably the right thing to part company with him.

I understood Levy's decision to employ Sherwood as a "Caretaker in all but name" as there was literally no decent long-term replacement available at the time. Yeah, I would probably have chosen Hoddle as Caretaker (and made it abundantly clear that he was in fact just the caretaker) for sentimental reasons, but I understood Levy deciding to promote from within and fill the gap with a familiar (to him) face. Some here hated Sherwood from Day One; I had no strong feelings one way or the other. It was his job to keep the ship steady for a few months while we waited for AVB's replacement.

Which is why I don't really understand some of the more aggressive criticism coming his way. He's made some mistakes, sure, and he's failed to perform the sort of miracle that might have convinced Levy to give him a full season. But at the same time he's kept us roughly where we were when he took over. Which - realistically - isn't a terrible performance from a rookie manager in the premiership.

I do think his media management leaves a lot to be desired. And his inexperience has really shown at times. But I don't think he's doing the club any long term damage (if Sandro or Lamela or any other player can't put their issues with an interim manager behind them when the new guy takes over, then that'll be unfortunate but it says a lot more about them than it does about Sherwood) and he has probably done enough to earn the club six or seven million when the next guy decides to sell Bentaleb and Kane ;-)

A great post. I've thought the same as you at pretty much every point along the way.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

You'll have to remind me when Tim dropped Chadli and Paulinho from the squad entirely and stated live on TV that they're not good enough to be in his squad ...
... at the moment.

I don't know about live on TV, but he has done something fairly similar in a press conference.

‘I can’t be worrying if the Brazil national manager wants him to play every week. I am going to do what is best for Tottenham, not any national manager.'

Spurs boss Tim Sherwood has called out Paulinho and said that he needs to improve his game dramatically if he is to be in contention for a regular starting spot

Sherwood's almost certainly not going to be here next season but he has made it fairly obvious where he stands on certain issues, which may put him in good stead at his next club, in as much as it may help him attract players looking to prove themselves.

They may think he will give them a chance ... or they may be put off by the thought of him being brutally frank about their shortcomings in public.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm commenting on the fact that the pirate believes that not making the top four is not a disgrace...

Not a disgrace from the position TS found himself in. Would have been the same for any manager. I am leaving AVB out of the equation for now. Are you disputing the following facts:

1. The top four teams have better players than us.

2. Our defense has been diabolical against half decent sides. TS has had to endure the problems of injuries, form and attitude amongst our defensive line up ( see my comments above)

3. Our three most expensive signings Solado (£26m) Paulinho (£17m) and Lamela (£30m) that is a total of £73m of talent that hasn't performed ALL season.

4. We scored just 15 goals in 16 games earlier this season, we have scored 14 in the last 5 games, including difficult away trips to Liverpool and WBA.

5. We beat Soton home and away, we beat Everton at home and Man U at OT. We knocked four in to thrash Saudi Sportswashing Machine at St James. We beat Sunderland 5-1, in their next games they drew at Emirates Marketing Project and won at Chelsea.

Again, which part of the above is "failure" directly attributable to TS? Given that scenario, who would have achieved "top four"?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think Sherwood would be exceptionally foolish to turn down the chance to work under LvG. He won't ever again get that kind of chance again, and it would be far better for him as a coach learning his trade then going off to Norwich or Blackburn.

I said yesterday that what I'd like to see is LvG mentoring Sherwood. Make it a decade-long project, with a handover somewhere in the middle. That way you have LvG getting instant improvement on the pitch, Baldini and Levy looking after medium/long term recruitment, and Sherwood gaining experience under a master before stepping up. That's what an actual joined-up plan would look like. That said, LvG, Sherwood, Levy and Baldini would be four big, big egos to accommodate.

I think that would be great too in an ideal world. It would bring continuity and stability. Can't see it happening though myself.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I would laugh my head off if Sandro tweeted. Is he gone yet!. Seriously I would. I know its child like but fcuk I'd laugh.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Quite right. There are obviously several posters who were (and a couple remain) vocal in their opposition to AVB's dismissal. We're a broad church here, if you look hard enough you'll find every conceivable opinion on the issue expressed by someone. I think - as forum readers - we just tend to notice the posts we disagree with a lot more than the ones that we agree with or are neutral about.

At the time AVB left, I'd say this place was roughly evenly divided on the issue with perhaps a slim majority in favour of him going (though most would have chosen a different replacement). But that's clearly grown to a substantial majority over time. Back in December I was firmly in the "give AVB until the end of the season" camp - but I've since modified that view... if even half the rumours are true (and we don't know if they are) about AVB's attitude to the job and the total breakdown in the relationship between various parties at the club, then - reluctantly - I would accept it was probably the right thing to part company with him.

I understood Levy's decision to employ Sherwood as a "Caretaker in all but name" as there was literally no decent long-term replacement available at the time. Yeah, I would probably have chosen Hoddle as Caretaker (and made it abundantly clear that he was in fact just the caretaker) for sentimental reasons, but I understood Levy deciding to promote from within and fill the gap with a familiar (to him) face. Some here hated Sherwood from Day One; I had no strong feelings one way or the other. It was his job to keep the ship steady for a few months while we waited for AVB's replacement.

Which is why I don't really understand some of the more aggressive criticism coming his way. He's made some mistakes, sure, and he's failed to perform the sort of miracle that might have convinced Levy to give him a full season. But at the same time he's kept us roughly where we were when he took over. Which - realistically - isn't a terrible performance from a rookie manager in the premiership.

I do think his media management leaves a lot to be desired. And his inexperience has really shown at times. But I don't think he's doing the club any long term damage (if Sandro or Lamela or any other player can't put their issues with an interim manager behind them when the new guy takes over, then that'll be unfortunate but it says a lot more about them than it does about Sherwood) and he has probably done enough to earn the club six or seven million when the next guy decides to sell Bentaleb and Kane ;-)

A very balanced post.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not a disgrace from the position TS found himself in. Would have been the same for any manager. I am leaving AVB out of the equation for now. Are you disputing the following facts:

1. The top four teams have better players than us.

2. Our defense has been diabolical against half decent sides. TS has had to endure the problems of injuries, form and attitude amongst our defensive line up ( see my comments above)

3. Our three most expensive signings Solado (£26m) Paulinho (£17m) and Lamela (£30m) that is a total of £73m of talent that hasn't performed ALL season.

4. We scored just 15 goals in 16 games earlier this season, we have scored 14 in the last 5 games, including difficult away trips to Liverpool and WBA.

5. We beat Soton home and away, we beat Everton at home and Man U at OT. We knocked four in to thrash Saudi Sportswashing Machine at St James. We beat Sunderland 5-1, in their next games they drew at Emirates Marketing Project and won at Chelsea.

Again, which part of the above is "failure" directly attributable to TS? Given that scenario, who would have achieved "top four"?

The position he found us in?
Your own comments suggest the position he found us in was perfectly respectable, the defeats against arsenal, city and Liverpool are acceptable because they have better players than us.
The anomalies being Saudi Sportswashing Machine and west ham, given The Saudi Sportswashing Machine game was one where the opposition goalkeeper recorded a premiership record for the number of saves, then by you reckoning the only unacceptable result would be the west ham home game.

Therefore I am asking you given your defence of Sherwood and his "failure" given at the time of AVB's sacking we were one point worse of from where we were last season, surely there was no need to make a change.

This is using the barometer you have given, so surely all of the above must apply for your defence of Sherwood to have any credibility?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

one more thing
i dont think all the top four teams have better players than us

i think its roughly about even with us and pool and scum and everton

they have just managed to put together a better system that works for their players than we do
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

one more thing
i dont think all the top four teams have better players than us

i think its roughly about even with us and pool and scum and everton

they have just managed to put together a better system that works for their players than we do

Liverpool have one player who is clearly a lot better than any we have.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Liverpool have one player who is clearly a lot better than any we have.

True but the squads overall are not far apart at all. Infact they dont actually have that much squad depth. we do

and quite frankly we spend 100 million on that squad...these are very good international players we have...they just havent clicked this year
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

True but the squads overall are not far apart at all. Infact they dont actually have that much squad depth. we do

and quite frankly we spend 100 million on that squad...these are very good international players we have...they just havent clicked this year

There's not much I can argue with there. All of Arsenal, Everton and Liverpool have benefited from squad stability. I still think that if you put Suarez in our team we would be safely inside the top four.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

True but the squads overall are not far apart at all. Infact they dont actually have that much squad depth. we do

and quite frankly we spend 100 million on that squad...these are very good international players we have...they just havent clicked this year

Put a Bale back in our team and if he continued the blistering form of last year, he would make a difference too. if what Ginola said yesterday is true, he transformed at least 8 games singlehandedly. Sherwood doesn't have a Bale.
 
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