Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[THFC6061]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

TS.....greatest Spurs boss ever. FACT

No, but Sherwood does have the best Premier League record of any Spurs manager.

But apparently, that's not enough to allow him to keep his job.

 

[RigorMortis]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

No, but Sherwood does have the best Premier League record of any Spurs manager.

But apparently, that's not enough to allow him to keep his job.

Far too small a sample to champion that theory

 

[THFC6061]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Far too small a sample to champion that theory

Well it doesn't look like Sherwood will get very much of an opportunity to extend the sample size.

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not sure how this follows. AVB's 16 games, 27 points. 1.68 points per game. You say that was a reasonable competitive position.? Meanwhile... Sherwood 19 games, 36 points. 1.89 points per game. That must be reasonable competitive too, right? But hold on, AVB - "maybe we should we have seen how it panned out?" Sherwood - "failed and failed miserably making us a rudderless train wreck, good riddance to the man" See how absurd that looks? One or the other, not both!

You are wasting your time most of the Tim hatred is not based on rationale. I get the anger that some posters such as Rossi and Steff feel about Sherwood having a go at players in public, I personally don't have a problem but I can see why some fans would call him out on it that is perfectly reasonable. But this rudderless ship nonsense is just not borne out by the games I'm watching or the points we have accumulated. It's like there is a collective mourning for the previous coach and a total rejection of the current one.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

No, but Sherwood does have the best Premier League record of any Spurs manager.

But apparently, that's not enough to allow him to keep his job.

And it wasn't likely to when he got the job.

He got the Spurs job because of the circumstances we found ourselves in where none of our top managerial targets were available. He didn't want to be caretaker so he got an 18 month contract seemingly with an understanding that if he performed exceptionally well he would get to keep the job he got when he didn't really have a background to deserve it.

Here performing exceptionally would mean something like getting CL football for the club. He didn't do that so he's likely to get shipped out.

Well it doesn't look like Sherwood will get very much of an opportunity to extend the sample size.

Well, if Sherwood was given that opportunity that also means that someone like LvG wouldn't get that opportunity.

Personally I would rather see LvG given that opportunity than Sherwood.

 

[RigorMortis]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Well it doesn't look like Sherwood will get very much of an opportunity to extend the sample size.

And given how we have regressed on the pitch since he started his reign and his behaviour off it, taking into account the target he was given that is fair enough IMO

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

You are wasting your time most of the Tim hatred is not based on rationale. I get the anger that some posters such as Rossi and Steff feel about Sherwood having a go at players in public, I personally don't have a problem but I can see why some fans would call him out on it that is perfectly reasonable. But this rudderless ship nonsense is just not borne out by the games I'm watching or the points we have accumulated. It's like there is a collective mourning for the previous coach and a total rejection of the current one.

There isn't a collective mourning for the previous coach!

People have more or less accepted that Sherwood is as good as gone, much like I think Sherwood has accepted this.

When people know someone is out the door they won't exactly be looking for reasons to big him up. People are looking forward to move on from what has been a disappointing season and people are looking forward to not being in manager limbo. That means bye bye Sherwood by just about every sign available.

 

[Harry_Perkins]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Lots of people said last year that points tally is great but has to be put into perspective relative to what everyone else is doing. So in this instance 72 points would likely only get 6th.

I agree completely. I'm just exposing how it is one rule for the last guy and different ones for Sherwood. 27 points in 16 games is 'reasonable competitive' whilst 36 points in 19 is 'a rudderless train wreck'.

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

There isn't a collective mourning for the previous coach!
People have more or less accepted that Sherwood is as good as gone, much like I think Sherwood has accepted this.

When people know someone is out the door they won't exactly be looking for reasons to big him up. People are looking forward to move on from what has been a disappointing season and people are looking forward to not being in manager limbo. That means bye bye Sherwood by just about every sign available.

Not from you perhaps but there are plenty of posters on here who haven't accepted Sherwood from the start mainly because they were disgusted that Levy had the temerity to sack AVB.

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I agree completely. I'm just exposing how it is one rule for the last guy and different ones for Sherwood. 27 points in 16 games is 'reasonable competitive' whilst 36 points in 19 is 'a rudderless train wreck'.

The main criticism of AVB was our style of play. Why does that not apply to Sherwood considering the mess we are on the pitch at the moment? Or is it acceptable because he's a more up-and-at-them type?

 

[Armchair Expert]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood's points total has been respectable. if he had come in, kept the seat warm, and kept his gob shut it would have been fine.

some of us don't want to see our manager throwing the ball at an arsenal defender because he can't for the life of him figure out how to attack them.
we don't want him starting fisticuffs with the benfica manager because again he's been tactically outclassed.
we don't want him throwing gillets around whl.
we don't want him loaning out midfielders then play wide forwards in central midfield.
we don't want him ostracizing loyal servants like sandro and causing ruptures that could have ramnifications beyond his temporary stay.
we don't want him taking the piiss out of record signings who are having problems settling in the press.
we don't want him pinning his campaign on the back of a player who has proven to be totally unreliable and untrustworthy and making out as if he is the heartbeat of tottenham hotspur.
we don't want him calling our squad 'much of a muchness' when its blatantly designed (and going) to cause problems.
we don't want him to sit in the stands and leave chris ramsay to pick up the slack and the touchline because he's a wideboy 'and might knock someone out.'

if he didn't do the above things, we would be grateful for his effort, say thanks for the respectable points haul, shake his hand on the way out of the door and wish him the best for the future.

is it to much to ask for the manager of tottenham hotspur to conduct himself with a little dignity and respect towards his own players, his own staff, his employers and the club's supporters?

 

[RigorMortis]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I agree completely. I'm just exposing how it is one rule for the last guy and different ones for Sherwood. 27 points in 16 games is 'reasonable competitive' whilst 36 points in 19 is 'a rudderless train wreck'.

Do you actually just ignore context to for your agenda?

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The main criticism of AVB was our style of play. Why does that not apply to Sherwood considering the mess we are on the pitch at the moment? Or is it acceptable because he's a more up-and-at-them type?

Another criticism of AVB (from me at least) was the high number of conflicts he generated that kept lasting.

Just to mention a couple just recently we've had Sherwood openly at a match say "F*ck off!!! Is he f*cking thick?" about Chiriches (https://twitter.com/gstobart/status/453262973734494208) and subsequently sub and then drop him. We have Sandro not even being on the bench when we had Harry Winks on the bench and Sherwood seemingly not even taking the time to explain his choice to Sandro.

I really don't feel we're on a good path with Sherwood. I really don't think the players are responding to him the way we need players to respond to our manager. I think "rudderless train wreck" is harsh, but I personally can't wait to see us get a replacement in come the summer.

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not from you perhaps but there are plenty of posters on here who haven't accepted Sherwood from the start mainly because they were disgusted that Levy had the temerity to sack AVB.

Similarly I could say a lot of posters are so completely entrenched in their dislike of AVB that they won't accept any negativity towards Sherwood.

 

[Papercut]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The one positive I feel Tim has is his knowledge of the youth players and his willingness to utilise them - but that isn't enough for me if we're talking about someone with LVG's C.V. In an ideal World he or someone with that inside knowledge would work alongside a man such as LVG. I think if the opportunity arose, Tim would be foolish not to gain valuable experience next to a top experienced manager - perhaps he feels he is ready or perhaps his ego will not allow it? It's especially the case where LVG is also not scared to blood youngsters whereby his appointment should never be sniffed at. If Tim got a chance could he be like a LVG? We're not really in a position to gamble.

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Similarly I could say a lot of posters are so completely entrenched in their dislike of AVB that they won't accept any negativity towards Sherwood.

I never disliked AVB in fact I defended him last year despite initial reservations-none of my posts against him are as personal as the attacks on Sherwood have been. I just didn't think he was up to the job.

 

[Harry_Perkins]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The main criticism of AVB was our style of play. Why does that not apply to Sherwood considering the mess we are on the pitch at the moment? Or is it acceptable because he's a more up-and-at-them type?

It wasn't from me. My main issues were the terrible man management, the seeming lack of a plan 'B' and/or the unwillingness to change something that blatantly wasn't working and the fact that the players seem to have given up on him or were in the process of doing it. That said, not sure how the style of play isn't much improved? It still isn't great but it has been horses for courses. We still lack creatively, we lack quality in wide areas and we are weak at full back. You've never going to have a wonderful style of play with those circumstances. There is a case for saying he had a window to address some of these issues but it is the winter window. We were never going to be able to solve all of them and at best the answers would probably be stop gap solutions.

Quite simply, we've got better results, we score more goals, we concede less, the style of play is improved.... if the likes of Pochettino is a serious ****ing candidate then Sherwood *should* be. Doesn't mean he should get the job if exceptional candidates come forward but he should be in the mix.

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Another criticism of AVB (from me at least) was the high number of conflicts he generated that kept lasting.

Just to mention a couple just recently we've had Sherwood openly at a match say "F*ck off!!! Is he f*cking thick?" about Chiriches (https://twitter.com/gstobart/status/453262973734494208) and subsequently sub and then drop him. We have Sandro not even being on the bench when we had Harry Winks on the bench and Sherwood seemingly not even taking the time to explain his choice to Sandro.

I really don't feel we're on a good path with Sherwood. I really don't think the players are responding to him the way we need players to respond to our manager. I think "rudderless train wreck" is harsh, but I personally can't wait to see us get a replacement in come the summer.

I'm sure if you listened to other benches during games you would hear just as bad. Every manager has fallings out with players that's life. We have come back from several losing positions so team spirit seems ok. The Sandro issue was brought into the public domain by the player himself.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not from you perhaps but there are plenty of posters on here who haven't accepted Sherwood from the start mainly because they were disgusted that Levy had the temerity to sack AVB.

How do you define plenty here? A majority? Or a handful of posters?

The only poll I think has been conducted on this was here: http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/5600-Was-Levy-right-to-sack-AVB 55% thought Levy was right to sack AVB at the time. Since then I think the mood has shifted towards more people agreeing with the decision based on the discussions I've seen, although a lot of people want Sherwood gone.

Several frequent posters were vocally unhappy about Sherwood when appointed as a continuation of them not liking Sherwood at any point including when he was our technical director. I don't think I'm misrepresenting Gutter Boy, Scara or Steff by including them in this just as an example.

I don't see anything that's even near to accurately described as "a collective mourning for the previous coach".

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The main criticism of AVB was our style of play. Why does that not apply to Sherwood considering the mess we are on the pitch at the moment? Or is it acceptable because he's a more up-and-at-them type?

Saying a up and at them type of style is hardly fair, we start games slowly and patiently sometimes to slowly. You are projecting your own prejudices on to Sherwood because of your dislike for him.

I want a new manager in the summer because he has been out thought in games against the top sides, because his lack of media skills could have and might already be having a negative impact on the players.

But the is a lot of people having a go at Sherwood for no good reason, I was critical of what he said yesterday about Sandro, he lacks the knowledge to deal with the press well. But he is no where near as bad as people say.