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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
He came in December with a more than reasonable chance for us to reach our objective of reaching the top four.
He has failed. Therefore he should be replaced as the requirement that apparently made a change necessary have not been met.
I remember at the time he said if he didn't make top four he'd be out of a job and as he's failed and failed miserably making us a rudderless train wreck, good riddance to the man.
He came in December with a more than reasonable chance for us to reach our objective of reaching the top four.
He has failed. Therefore he should be replaced as the requirement that apparently made a change necessary have not been met.
I remember at the time he said if he didn't make top four he'd be out of a job and as he's failed and failed miserably making us a rudderless train wreck, good riddance to the man.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
We obviously have a different definition of failure.
Beating Soton home and away, beating Everton at home and Man ure at OT. Beating Saudi Sportswashing Machine by 4 at St James Park. Results overall showing him to be the most successful points per game coach in our recent history.
Reintroducing Ade, introducing Bentelab and Kane, and making Eriksen a standout player.
Sorry. TS is hardly "failing miserably"by any metric you care to mention. Not getting top four is no disgrace. Unfortunately, and most regretfully, the top four teams all have better players than we do. That is the cold hard facts.
We obviously have a different definition of failure.
Beating Soton home and away, beating Everton at home and Man ure at OT. Beating Saudi Sportswashing Machine by 4 at St James Park. Results overall showing him to be the most successful points per game coach in our recent history.
Reintroducing Ade, introducing Bentelab and Kane, and making Eriksen a standout player.
Sorry. TS is hardly "failing miserably"by any metric you care to mention. Not getting top four is no disgrace. Unfortunately, and most regretfully, the top four teams all have better players than we do. That is the cold hard facts.
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THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I really couldn't agree more...
Premier League Results, League Table & Goal Statistics for Season 2013-14
I really couldn't agree more...
Premier League Results, League Table & Goal Statistics for Season 2013-14
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
The metric mentioned by RM was "getting fourth", that's what our aim was this season, that's what Sherwood was still aiming for when he took over and that's what I think he would have had to achieve to be likely to keep his job.
By that metric he's failed. I think "failed miserably" is harsh, but he's failed by that one - most important - metric.
The metric mentioned by RM was "getting fourth", that's what our aim was this season, that's what Sherwood was still aiming for when he took over and that's what I think he would have had to achieve to be likely to keep his job.
By that metric he's failed. I think "failed miserably" is harsh, but he's failed by that one - most important - metric.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Do you have stats for Sherwood and AVB separated without the top 4?
By the way, would like to hear your thoughts on what constitutes a significant sample on various stats that you post at one point or another some place or another.
I really couldn't agree more...
Premier League Results, League Table & Goal Statistics for Season 2013-14
Do you have stats for Sherwood and AVB separated without the top 4?
By the way, would like to hear your thoughts on what constitutes a significant sample on various stats that you post at one point or another some place or another.
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indianspur
Guest
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
what is Spurs were 7th, would you produce a table without the top 6 just to make us look good
I really couldn't agree more...
Premier League Results, League Table & Goal Statistics for Season 2013-14
what is Spurs were 7th, would you produce a table without the top 6 just to make us look good
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I think it's a valid positive to take into the next season for sure.
Beating "smaller teams" is a necessary foundation for challenging where we want to be imo. It's why we're as (relatively) close to where we want to be despite the abysmal feeling we all have about this season.
what is Spurs were 7th, would you produce a table without the top 6 just to make us look good
I think it's a valid positive to take into the next season for sure.
Beating "smaller teams" is a necessary foundation for challenging where we want to be imo. It's why we're as (relatively) close to where we want to be despite the abysmal feeling we all have about this season.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
AVB:
Top 4: 1 point from 4 games, 0.25 ppg
The rest: 26 points from 12 games, 2.1666 ppg
Sherwood:
Top 4: 0 points from 4 games, 0 ppg
The rest: 36 points from 15 games, 2.4 ppg
AVB:
Top 4: 1 point from 4 games, 0.25 ppg
The rest: 26 points from 12 games, 2.1666 ppg
Sherwood:
Top 4: 0 points from 4 games, 0 ppg
The rest: 36 points from 15 games, 2.4 ppg
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
So if not getting top four is not a disgrace why did we not see how it panned out with our previous manager?
Why are you so adamant that he should have been sacked.
Why did Sherwood by his own admission admit he would be out of a job if he didn't make it?
If we weren't good enough to make top four from the start, then by your reasoning Sherwood shouldn't have been given the job in the first place as we in a reasonably competitive position under the previous incumbent
So if not getting top four is not a disgrace why did we not see how it panned out with our previous manager?
Why are you so adamant that he should have been sacked.
Why did Sherwood by his own admission admit he would be out of a job if he didn't make it?
If we weren't good enough to make top four from the start, then by your reasoning Sherwood shouldn't have been given the job in the first place as we in a reasonably competitive position under the previous incumbent
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
You'll have to remind me when Tim dropped Chadli and Paulinho from the squad entirely and stated live on TV that they're not good enough to be in his squad.
You'll have to remind me when Tim dropped Chadli and Paulinho from the squad entirely and stated live on TV that they're not good enough to be in his squad.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Thing is if he stays we will probably be around the same position at the end of next season, and the one after that. He will continue to make rooky mistakes for another season, pick the wrong team now and again and the wrong formation. We will also lose to the better teams in a similar manner and he isn't going to hold back his thoughts or protect his players.
Of course this is purely speculation on my part but I'm going on the evidence so far like you.
Thing is if he stays we will probably be around the same position at the end of next season, and the one after that. He will continue to make rooky mistakes for another season, pick the wrong team now and again and the wrong formation. We will also lose to the better teams in a similar manner and he isn't going to hold back his thoughts or protect his players.
Of course this is purely speculation on my part but I'm going on the evidence so far like you.
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Not sure how this follows. AVB's 16 games, 27 points. 1.68 points per game. You say that was a reasonable competitive position.? Meanwhile... Sherwood 19 games, 36 points. 1.89 points per game. That must be reasonable competitive too, right? But hold on, AVB - "maybe we should we have seen how it panned out?" Sherwood - "failed and failed miserably making us a rudderless train wreck, good riddance to the man" See how absurd that looks? One or the other, not both!
Not sure how this follows. AVB's 16 games, 27 points. 1.68 points per game. You say that was a reasonable competitive position.? Meanwhile... Sherwood 19 games, 36 points. 1.89 points per game. That must be reasonable competitive too, right? But hold on, AVB - "maybe we should we have seen how it panned out?" Sherwood - "failed and failed miserably making us a rudderless train wreck, good riddance to the man" See how absurd that looks? One or the other, not both!
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Bear in mind that this season's performances, which are comparable to last season's club record Premier League points haul, have been achieved without having the World's third best player in the squad.
Bear in mind that this season's performances, which are comparable to last season's club record Premier League points haul, have been achieved without having the World's third best player in the squad.
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I'm commenting on the fact that the pirate believes that not making the top four is not a disgrace...
I'm commenting on the fact that the pirate believes that not making the top four is not a disgrace...
Harry_Perkins
Ben Thatcher
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
And no pre-season with squad, coming in off the back of 11 points in 15 games, Adebayor training and playing for the Under 23s, no wins against anyone top half of the table, just hammered 0-5 at home etc etc. If Sherwood had actually been in from the start you'd have to think we'd be clear in 4th now. And going further, imagine we'd had someone in charge with more talent and experience than Sherwood...
And no pre-season with squad, coming in off the back of 11 points in 15 games, Adebayor training and playing for the Under 23s, no wins against anyone top half of the table, just hammered 0-5 at home etc etc. If Sherwood had actually been in from the start you'd have to think we'd be clear in 4th now. And going further, imagine we'd had someone in charge with more talent and experience than Sherwood...
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indianspur
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RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Or given how the performances and results have tailed off as his reign has gone on we could be in a far worse position.
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Lots of people said last year that points tally is great but has to be put into perspective relative to what everyone else is doing. So in this instance 72 points would likely only get 6th.
Lots of people said last year that points tally is great but has to be put into perspective relative to what everyone else is doing. So in this instance 72 points would likely only get 6th.