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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
You are right, my objectivity has gone but it is not without reason. The summer will show what's left of this tawdry mess I'm sure. In the meanwhile, every time there's a fight or argument or shoving match, Tim says it 'shows we care and have passion'…getting tired that one…but on a positive note, does that mean that if Sandro or someone shoves Tim in an argument, or lamps him, will they be equally able to claim 'passion' and 'caring' as their fuel? It's fast-becoming neanderthal logic...
You are right, my objectivity has gone but it is not without reason. The summer will show what's left of this tawdry mess I'm sure. In the meanwhile, every time there's a fight or argument or shoving match, Tim says it 'shows we care and have passion'…getting tired that one…but on a positive note, does that mean that if Sandro or someone shoves Tim in an argument, or lamps him, will they be equally able to claim 'passion' and 'caring' as their fuel? It's fast-becoming neanderthal logic...
Bullet
Colin Calderwood
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
She refused to give up her seat on the bus to a white person back in the 50s and became a leading figure in racial equality campaigning in the USA
She refused to give up her seat on the bus to a white person back in the 50s and became a leading figure in racial equality campaigning in the USA
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I consider myself objective, I just don't know how you can defend a manager publicly saying a particularly player isn't good enough. I don't know how that does anyone any favours, I certainly can't imagine Daniel Levy being too happy with Sherwood putting down our players/assets on live TV(and it's not the first time either).
I consider myself objective, I just don't know how you can defend a manager publicly saying a particularly player isn't good enough. I don't know how that does anyone any favours, I certainly can't imagine Daniel Levy being too happy with Sherwood putting down our players/assets on live TV(and it's not the first time either).
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
But he didn't say "Sandro is not good enough" end of story, he said at the moment he's not good enough to be in my team ahead of other players. I honestly cannot see the fuss. TBF you aren't normally on the bash-tim bandwagon, but I disagree about this one.
But he didn't say "Sandro is not good enough" end of story, he said at the moment he's not good enough to be in my team ahead of other players. I honestly cannot see the fuss. TBF you aren't normally on the bash-tim bandwagon, but I disagree about this one.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Whether he's added the caveat of "at this moment" or not, it's still publicly putting a player down and it's still not the right thing to do. I'd love to see what goes on in training as Aaron Lennon must play like Messi considering he went four months contributing absolutely nothing(I don't see Tim airing that in public, not that I'd want him to), whilst Sandro gives away a penalty and we don't see him again, I guess some players have much shorter ropes than others.
Whether he's added the caveat of "at this moment" or not, it's still publicly putting a player down and it's still not the right thing to do. I'd love to see what goes on in training as Aaron Lennon must play like Messi considering he went four months contributing absolutely nothing(I don't see Tim airing that in public, not that I'd want him to), whilst Sandro gives away a penalty and we don't see him again, I guess some players have much shorter ropes than others.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
I still dont know why you keep saying this yet omitting the crucial aspect of the full quote. Everywhere I have read and heard TS has mentioned AT THE MOMENT, yet it keeps being omitted - a bit like the media really yet we criticise them for it.
I still dont know why you keep saying this yet omitting the crucial aspect of the full quote. Everywhere I have read and heard TS has mentioned AT THE MOMENT, yet it keeps being omitted - a bit like the media really yet we criticise them for it.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
JerusalemMan
Chris Perry
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Why is it crucial? He's publicly put a player down, a figurehead of the club should not be doing that, simple. Whether he's caveat that with "at the moment" or not doesn't hold a great deal of weight with me. I'd also like to know how you feel about him describing our squad as "much of a muchness", saying "the jury's still out on Lamela" or saying "we can't compete technically with Liverpool" before playing them. These are not appropriate comments for the manager of a club to be making, whether you think they're true or not. It's one thing a Spurs fan posting that on glory glory and it's another the manager of the football club publically saying it. It's just downright unprofessional in my book and I don't see how those quotes help anyone other than the press for a juicy soundbite.
Sandro isn't entirely innocent but that is completely ott. All he said was that he's not injured and hope the team wins, that's pretty indirect. There's no need for Tim to steamroll in saying Sandro's not good enough to be in his team [at the moment] and all of the other stuff he said, it's just needlessly confrontational and unprofessional. It was Tim who decided to blow this up into something bigger, it was Tim who made a direct jibe at Sandro. Sandro hasn't said **** about the guy.
Why is it crucial? He's publicly put a player down, a figurehead of the club should not be doing that, simple. Whether he's caveat that with "at the moment" or not doesn't hold a great deal of weight with me. I'd also like to know how you feel about him describing our squad as "much of a muchness", saying "the jury's still out on Lamela" or saying "we can't compete technically with Liverpool" before playing them. These are not appropriate comments for the manager of a club to be making, whether you think they're true or not. It's one thing a Spurs fan posting that on glory glory and it's another the manager of the football club publically saying it. It's just downright unprofessional in my book and I don't see how those quotes help anyone other than the press for a juicy soundbite.
Sandro isn't entirely innocent but that is completely ott. All he said was that he's not injured and hope the team wins, that's pretty indirect. There's no need for Tim to steamroll in saying Sandro's not good enough to be in his team [at the moment] and all of the other stuff he said, it's just needlessly confrontational and unprofessional. It was Tim who decided to blow this up into something bigger, it was Tim who made a direct jibe at Sandro. Sandro hasn't said **** about the guy.
THFC6061
Paul Robinson
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
If Sherwood thought for a moment that Sandro in his present condition was good enough to be in the team, he would be there.
For my money, Sandro would be the first name down on the teamsheet, but I'm not the manager so I have to respect his judgement in this matter.
If Sherwood thought for a moment that Sandro in his present condition was good enough to be in the team, he would be there.
For my money, Sandro would be the first name down on the teamsheet, but I'm not the manager so I have to respect his judgement in this matter.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Mate I have expanded the tweets where the "followers" of Sandro are being offensive to Sherwood yet Sandro has not withdrawn the tweet or clarified if it has been taken out of context. Sandro knew exactly how his tweet would be taken Ade fell out with the last manager but tbf he did not go on twitter to stir ****e up.
Mate I have expanded the tweets where the "followers" of Sandro are being offensive to Sherwood yet Sandro has not withdrawn the tweet or clarified if it has been taken out of context. Sandro knew exactly how his tweet would be taken Ade fell out with the last manager but tbf he did not go on twitter to stir ****e up.
Rossi22
Pedro Mendes
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Actually, Ade did something very similar. Someone asked why he's not playing and he responded with something like "it's not my decision" and left it up. I don't see the point in him withdrawing a tweet, once it's out there, it's out there, no point deleting it. Of course Sandro had ulterior motives when he put that tweet out there, he's rightfully upset but at the same time he didn't directly insult him - unlike Tim.
Sandro Raniere @sandroraniere
Good morning Guys, just to let you know that i'm not injured ! Hope that we can win the game today.
Sherwood: He's entitled to do what he wants. He's right, he's not injured. He's not good enough to play in my team at the moment and when I think that he is good enough then he will play"
The only volatile comment there is from Tim. He needlessly blew it up into something bigger.
Actually, Ade did something very similar. Someone asked why he's not playing and he responded with something like "it's not my decision" and left it up. I don't see the point in him withdrawing a tweet, once it's out there, it's out there, no point deleting it. Of course Sandro had ulterior motives when he put that tweet out there, he's rightfully upset but at the same time he didn't directly insult him - unlike Tim.
Sandro Raniere @sandroraniere
Good morning Guys, just to let you know that i'm not injured ! Hope that we can win the game today.
Sherwood: He's entitled to do what he wants. He's right, he's not injured. He's not good enough to play in my team at the moment and when I think that he is good enough then he will play"
The only volatile comment there is from Tim. He needlessly blew it up into something bigger.
Daisuk
Nayim
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
:ross: =D>
I don't get the fuss with the Sandro comment either. Sherwood has previously said that it's players with the attitude of Sandro that's always the first on the team sheet. And either way, we've only got a handful of games left of the season, which means a handful of Sherwood-time left. I think he's done a decent enough job, although he shouldn't have had the job in the first place. He's gone soon enough.
:ross: =D>
I don't get the fuss with the Sandro comment either. Sherwood has previously said that it's players with the attitude of Sandro that's always the first on the team sheet. And either way, we've only got a handful of games left of the season, which means a handful of Sherwood-time left. I think he's done a decent enough job, although he shouldn't have had the job in the first place. He's gone soon enough.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Well, TS's conduct is embarrassing to himself and the club; effectively proving GB and Scara right along in their assessments. His football management is barely a redeeming feature: you could condone a right bleep if he had the results/tactical acumen to let you look past that (e.g. Jose). But he doesn't have that either.
I could go on about his poor man-management and his love of spacegoats to cover up his own tactical/managerial failings but as far as I'm concerned he's a goner anyway.
I must admit: i'm finding it quite exciting now to see what he does next!! Surely i'm not the only one? 8-[
Well, TS's conduct is embarrassing to himself and the club; effectively proving GB and Scara right along in their assessments. His football management is barely a redeeming feature: you could condone a right bleep if he had the results/tactical acumen to let you look past that (e.g. Jose). But he doesn't have that either.
I could go on about his poor man-management and his love of spacegoats to cover up his own tactical/managerial failings but as far as I'm concerned he's a goner anyway.
I must admit: i'm finding it quite exciting now to see what he does next!! Surely i'm not the only one? 8-[
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
Thing is dude you are right up there with gb and Scara... Tim ain't the answer but the fact that he has done up to now, as good as/better than avb speaks volumes.
I don't like a lot of what he says to the press.... It's far to dicanio lite like. But you know what all things considered he has done a decent/good job... And the football is better to watch then the sh it served up by avb....
If we can get LVG we should do it no f uck Ing doubt, but Tims is going to make a decent manager either because he knows what he is doing.... Or he is the luckiest man alive.
Thing is dude you are right up there with gb and Scara... Tim ain't the answer but the fact that he has done up to now, as good as/better than avb speaks volumes.
I don't like a lot of what he says to the press.... It's far to dicanio lite like. But you know what all things considered he has done a decent/good job... And the football is better to watch then the sh it served up by avb....
If we can get LVG we should do it no f uck Ing doubt, but Tims is going to make a decent manager either because he knows what he is doing.... Or he is the luckiest man alive.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
In terms of my dislike for him now he's been in the job a few months? Sure.
In terms of my thoughts that he wasn't good enough for the job? Yep.
In terms of any dislike of him prior to getting the job? Nah; they disliked him a personal level far more than I could have, though I certainly distrusted him before getting the job
Debatable; In the fact that it is more "end-to-end" and kamikaze, sure.
In respect to it being more successful: very VERY debatable.
In respect of it allowing us to 'challenge' the bigger-boys? Absolutely no way.
I think the fact he got the job in the first place - and will likely not have it after the end of the season - it's clear which one of those two is correct..
In terms of my dislike for him now he's been in the job a few months? Sure.
In terms of my thoughts that he wasn't good enough for the job? Yep.
In terms of any dislike of him prior to getting the job? Nah; they disliked him a personal level far more than I could have, though I certainly distrusted him before getting the job
Debatable; In the fact that it is more "end-to-end" and kamikaze, sure.
In respect to it being more successful: very VERY debatable.
In respect of it allowing us to 'challenge' the bigger-boys? Absolutely no way.
I think the fact he got the job in the first place - and will likely not have it after the end of the season - it's clear which one of those two is correct..
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach
But avb this season with out the world class bale... Actually has had worst results against the top ten....
What can that be down ..... Can't be all down to players settling in unless Tim found some magic switch..... Which if he did he should be given credit for.
But avb this season with out the world class bale... Actually has had worst results against the top ten....
What can that be down ..... Can't be all down to players settling in unless Tim found some magic switch..... Which if he did he should be given credit for.