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The youth players/on-loan thread 2015-16
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Yoof
Tony Parks
Winks was very good. A Championship loan would do him a lot of good I feel, a few clubs have been linked in the past week so hopefully one of those comes off.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I agree. I like what I have seen of Winks and him training with the first team and making the bench reasonably regularly, suggests that Poch does too.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Given his age, it would be exceptional if 2CV was.
Cochise
Steve Carr
I was quite suprised by the lineup. Last time I saw Georgiou he was a decent winger, tonight he looked like a winger being asked to play at full back. I guess that's all part of being in the "development" squad. Anyways I thought he and and Amos were pretty out of their depth at full back whilst Veljkovic looked bloody lazy. The kick from Glover for their first goal was poor, but in the first team, Verts would've already moved into that position to receive the pass.
Winks in midfield was the standout player and as others said, he could probably play instead of Carroll and we would get a similar display. He does need a loan this January or at least in the Summer as a lack of football will hurt him.
Too many of the young lads were making it easy for the Chelsea players approaching the man with the ball with too much pace and letting them check back inside easily.
Much respect to Townsend too. He knuckled down and didn't deserve to be out there.
Winks in midfield was the standout player and as others said, he could probably play instead of Carroll and we would get a similar display. He does need a loan this January or at least in the Summer as a lack of football will hurt him.
Too many of the young lads were making it easy for the Chelsea players approaching the man with the ball with too much pace and letting them check back inside easily.
Much respect to Townsend too. He knuckled down and didn't deserve to be out there.
Yoof
Tony Parks
Ehiogu's lineups are often strange and counterproductive, though in fairness we literally have no full backs right now unless we call up an u18 but there's no standout candidates there either. The worst thing Ehiogu keeps doing is playing the clunky and stodgy Walkes as a #10 just to give us some "presence" when there are far more fluid options available to him.
Yiddo
Jack Jull
But some people think he should be fourth choice.
milo
Jack L. Jones
Some people get ahead of themselves. I think that he needs a loan or two and get some competitive football under his belt first.
Do people view Ehiogu as doing a good job? I heard his interview before the match and he sounded like a cretin - it made me think that it would be impossible for him to get messages across to young players as he cant speak properly. Maybe he has outstanding coaching methods but I was severely underwhelmed...
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
He's only a year younger than when King came through.
I'd prefer Veljkovic for the next year or two.
But I think the point is with Dier and Davies able to cover CB too, we don't need a 'Rocha' or 'Nelsen' coming in to block the path for 2CV.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I've always heard good things.
It assures me that he was recruited by McDermott, rather than parachuted in because he was the first team manager's mate (like his predecessor).
People need to remember that at this level the team/results don't matter. It's about developing individuals. Therefore players are often played out of position to work on a weakness in their game.
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
Neither of them are ready mate.... They both need good experience elsewhere before they can be trusted for us. One or even both of them may end up becoming good enough for a top 4 PL side, but that time is not now. If both Jan and Toby were injured/suspended then I think we'd be likely to give up points pairing Wimmer and Veljkovic/Carter-Vickers.
King isn't really a fair comparison to use, he was a once in a generation player, at his peak he was probably one of the best 2 or 3 centre halves in the World. King also also came through playing the holding midfield role, which is an easier role to come into as a young player than playing centre half.
To go onto the point of using Dier or Davies. If we use Dier as our centre half then we weaken our midfield. Thus we would be going into a game weaker at the back and with our weaker defence exposed by a weaker defensive midfield. I would also be hesitant in playing Davies at centre half, as fifth or sixth choice if really desperate perhaps but that's it.
A Rocha or a Nelsen would not block the path of Carter-Vickers. I would say a player like that would have the opposite effect. They would allow Carter-Vickers to continue to develop out of the spotlight, perhaps getting a much needed loan move to act as his finishing school and get him ready for first team football with us.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
King though when he came through was highly thought of but no one knew how good he could be.
Its the same with any young player with talent and the right attitude, you still dont know how good they will be.
CCV looks to have the raw talent and attitude but without game time at the right time for him we will never know. I agree that its key for him getting the right experience and scope an the right game time, and if it means short term cover so to speak then thats no bad thing
milo
Jack L. Jones
Strange. I didn't see the interview last night but he has always impressed me when I have seen or read interviews with him in the last.
I don't think anyone is bothered on here about results. And my comment about Ehiogu didn't remotely refer to results, it was just about him and his ability to develop players
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
King at that age, pre Naybet, wouldn't have been good enough to be our 3rd choice CB. Not sure about 4th choice either to be honest. Quite a lot of time from that, including playing in midfield etc, before he became the amazing King he became.
If we were currently as brick as we were back then perhaps 2CV would be good enough for our first team squad already.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I didn't get to watch the game yesterday and you obviously watch the youth/development games a lot more than me overall. But this "strange and counterproductive" description seems strange to me... Seems total football-esque getting players used to playing multiple positions and expecting all players regardless of position to have the fundamental technical ability to be effective in other positions on the pitch.
Seems to have been a part of our youth plan for some time from what I've seen/read.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Just a minor point - King had been playing for the first team for 5 years (debut 1999) before Naybet arrived (2004). He was playing for England from 2002 and had his most famous performance against France (Euro 2004) pre-Naybet.
In terms of perspective, are people not as worried about McGee being our 3rd GK or Pritchard being Eriksen's back-up at #10? For me 4th CB can be a development role. We are just used to Redknapp's stockpiling of players if we are expecting our 4th or 5th choices to be senior players.
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