Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Plus his record against the top 6 this season and last is very impressive. He's only lost the one game IIRC and that was in th midst of the Hurrikane.
His knack of getting results is top notch.
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The Official 2014/15 Premier League Thread
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Plus his record against the top 6 this season and last is very impressive. He's only lost the one game IIRC and that was in th midst of the Hurrikane.
His knack of getting results is top notch.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
Should be some entertaining RAWK copy-pastes to look forward to
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it's offline, either taken down or fallen over
it's all Rodgers out Rafa in over there now
a couple of highlights, one chap is questioning Rodgers and suggesting that maybe he got lucky with Suarez last season
also a couple are fed up with the doing a Spurs line as they didn't spend 100m, only 20m and what they got for Suarez which shouldn't be counted
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Temporary meltdown.
I like this one...
I'm getting a bit worried they'll pull the plug on Brendan and bring in Klopp. One win in the last five has scuppered their CL chances (bit like us really).
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
I think they'd be stupid not to, he's a charlatan
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Agreed up to a point.
I really like Klopp. But of course he's untested outside Germany and as was seen this season he can fail spectacularly. But if a deal could be struck with Klopp I think that would be a decent reason to get rid of Rodgers.
But if they can't get Klopp, or someone they consider truly top class I agree that getting rid of Rodgers seems silly. I think he's a very good manager, not quite as good as he himself seems to think he is. But a very good manager. 5th-6th, competing for a CL spot was a realistic target for them this season I think, and he's had to deal with Suarez leaving, Sturridge being injured most of the season and some rather failed signings. Of course the failed signings could be blame on him, but that's the only real worry for them going into the summer.
He's never really done well with money to spend. Wasn't in charge of spending at Swansea and they don't have much money anyway, and after the Sturridge and Coutinho success his transfer business at Liverpool has been questionable at best.
He's a taco who talks a lot of waffle but he's nowhere near as bad as people think. They've progressed quite well under him, play some great football on their day and are in a much better state than when he arrived.
Last season they over achieved which isn't doing him any favours right now, coping with the loss of Suarez and intergrating a lot of new signings (which we know all about) isn't helping and it 's also his first experience in Europe (?) - learning curve. I expect him to have them consistently knocking on top 4s door, which is as much as they should expect really.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I actually know a handful of reasonable Liverpool fans who won't get too easily caught up in the hype machine. They pretty much agree with you on this, and worry that the reactionary part of their fan base and their owners will lack the perspective to see that and send them back into transition by getting rid of Rodgers.
You try getting the dippers to expect anything less than a title challenge and at least one cup.
arent all clubs always in transisition though? the only club that sometimes isnt in transition is the club that wins the league. how long have we been in transition for? liverpool have been in transition (every season) for decades too.
managers like to protect themselves by saying they need time to implement their ideas, and build their project. but theyre very quick to replace a player when they see a better alternative, even though the argument that players need time to adjust is just as valid. so why shouldnt the club change their manager just as easily if they see a better option?
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Because every time a club changes its manager the roundabout starts again, new players in, old players out, new coaches in, old coaches out, new training drills and formations and that starts the transitional period once again.
true, but i think the real effects of that are small. the same applies to whenever a club changes a key player. suarez, bale, nasri, fabregas, rvp etc. the club rarely goes on a collapse after such a departure. sure there is an adaptation period, but if you can get a slightly better manager, it might be worth it imo. especially one like klopp, who has proven to have a level of loyalty, and wont bugger off the following season if a bigger club comes along
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I was talking about more significant transitions than the transitions "all clubs are in all the time".
Rodgers has failed with quite a few signings. But he's regularly using players like Moreno, Can, Markovic, Allen etc that he signed. In addition to existing "squad" players that a new manager may or may not be a fan of. A change in style to someone like Benitez could see a significant transition in player personnel needed. If they had a strong-ish DoF type at the club that had been working over years towards a style of play and signings that fit in with that and who knew of a manager that could come in and be a good fit that would be something different. I don't really see that at Liverpool, and their recent managerial decisions haven't been of the "continuation of previous work" type.
Clubs are also notoriously bad at evaluation how good managers actually are. A significant risk involved in changing from someone doing well to someone "better" as that evaluation is always speculative at least to some extent.
good points. i would agree that a change to someone like benitez might not be the best idea for them (for the player turnover reasons you have mentioned). but i dont think hes much better than rodgers anyway.
but dont lpool have a 6 man panel or something to decide on transfers? surely that would remain post rodgers.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Depends on how many changes in players that are made, what style of football is needed and how the coaching changes. The one thing it is not is small.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
They do work with a transfer committee, but they do not have a established system of play ingrained over time regardless of the head coach in charge. Clubs like Swansea, Barcelona and perhaps even Southampton look much more capable of making smooth transitions in terms of manager/head coach with a somewhat established style in place in terms of the player types they want and need.
If they can find a "better" manager that wants to play a similar style to Rodgers without making big changes to the squad I see no reasons why that would be a bad idea. That's quite a few assumptions and a difficult manager to hire I think.