The Official 2014/15 Premier League Thread

[Jordinho]

I almost find myself torn between wanting Liverpool to lose and Hull to get relegated. Think I'll go with Liverpool losing, again.

 

[parklane1]

like ive said before, hes a great self promoter. same reason why redknapp was able to blag himself top jobs for so long too. i think mourinho's team (like any other manager, including wenger) certainly have a chance to finish outside the top 4. albeit probably a bit less than moyes did. but i do think that the timing of when moyes took the utd job was unfortunate. i think it was a lot harder than people think. they had a lot of ageing players, and a few key members had moved on too, leaving a bunch of mediocre players.

That has made me laugh, top jobs let me think Bournmouth;, W.Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton, QPR. The only TOP job he has had is us ( and many supporters of other teams would question that as well.)

I have read some funny things on football forums but compering the jobs " rent a quote' has had to Jose is the funniest.

 

[Neymar]

Harry Redknapp... I miss the eye rolling smiley, I really do... Only in hindsight... Mourinho wins the league again it seems.

Two seasons out of the last... 13 without a trophy? Meanwhile Wenger, who you defend endlessly, has one trophy in the last... decade? Please...



And there was no turnover needed when Mourinho rejoined Chelsea? Yet, second season again Mourinho finds himself on top. Predictably, boring perhaps, but none the less impressive.

Had he joined Arsenal... He would have quit or been fired had he only "achieved" what Wenger has done in the last decade.

again, i think heres another example of how football fans place too much value on trophys when assessing the qualities of a manager. firstly, youre comparing arsenal and chelsea like for like, when the remits of the two jobs are totally different. its like when arsenal fans compare wenger's arsenals footballing results to our managers'. its not an even playing field, so not really worth comparing on this basis.

do you know that the chances of us finishing top 4 dwarfs arsenal's title winning odds before the season starts? yet look how hard we've found it to finish top 4. that should put into perspective just how much of a mammoth task it is for arsenal to compete with the likes of chelsea for the title given the finances and players they have.

 

[Neymar]

That has made me laugh, top jobs let me think Bournmouth;, W.Ham, Portsmouth, Southampton, QPR. The only TOP job he has had is us ( and many supporters of other teams would question that as well.)

I have read some funny things on football forums but compering the jobs " rent a quote' has had to Jose is the funniest.

i meant it relatively, given the level where i think redknapp shouldve been managing. in the grand scheme of things, i think those portsmouth, whu, qpr and southampton jobs were top jobs as they were prem jobs. you probably have arsenal, liverpool, chelsea fans saying none of redknapps jobs were top jobs, including us. its all relative, and i think you knew exactly what i meant there

 

[parklane1]

i meant it relatively, given the level where i think redknapp shouldve been managing. in the grand scheme of things, i think those portsmouth, whu, qpr and southampton jobs were top jobs as they were prem jobs. you probably have arsenal, liverpool, chelsea fans saying none of redknapps jobs were top jobs, including us. its all relative, and i think you knew exactly what i meant there

Keep digging.

 

[Baleforce]

i think mourinho's is a pseudo-influence, propogated by himself. much like mancini's at Emirates Marketing Project. mourinho is credited for turning into what chelsea are today (a global super club). but i think they wouldve got there regardless. and in an alternate universe, where mourinho wasnt the manager who took over ranieri, i think chelsea could be just as succesful, playing a more aesthetically pleasing style of football. and also not loathed by the rest of world football. i think chelsea could definitely have been far better off in this regard had someone other than mourinho had become their manager.

it doesn't matter that they are "loathed by the rest of world football" (and I don't agree they are, they are not by me for a start), aesthetics don't actually matter at the end of the day, what matters is results and trophies, primarily the European Cup, and Jose has two of them

 

[Neymar]

it doesn't matter that they are "loathed by the rest of world football" (and I don't agree they are, they are not by me for a start), aesthetics don't actually matter at the end of the day, what matters is results and trophies, primarily the European Cup, and Jose has two of them

i disagree. id imagine that its commercially more lucrative if you play an aesthetically pleasing style of football. the fact that they are disliked probably hurts them too. i think they couldve been succesful without all that baggage, and they would financially have been better off for it.

but beyond all that, as finances dont really matter to them since they have an endless pot of money, i think it matters massively. abramovic bought chelsea as a pr exercise, and im certain that he wouldve preferred them to be more positive on that basis alone. mourinho built a side with a toxic atmosphere, and its proved almost impossible to change. iirc, wasnt this one of the reasons mourinho was sacked by them in the first place?

its something i think owners/sides that came after abramovic, like Emirates Marketing Project and psg have learnt from. and given how these guys have bought football clubs to be liked and accepted globally, i think you can clearly see that they have a strategy to avoid what chelsea did in building the kind of negative side that they did. for these guys, football isnt simply about winning or losing.

 

[Baleforce]

again i think that's a disservice, Chelsea were the best attacking unit in the first half of the season, they have changed due to injuries lately granted but they are not a one trick pony, they can shut the game down when they need to which is something all the great sides have done

I expect Abramovich goes to sleep every night thanking his lucky stars Jose came along, he's still the best signing Chelsea have ever made

 

[Neymar]

what a goal!

 

[Jordinho]

its something i think owners/sides that came after abramovic, like Emirates Marketing Project and psg have learnt from. and given how these guys have bought football clubs to be liked and accepted globally, i think you can clearly see that they have a strategy to avoid what chelsea did in building the kind of negative side that they did. for these guys, football isnt simply about winning or losing.

Of course it is about winning. Why else would they keep spending so much on new players every season and sacking managers? It's all a big dingdong measuring contest, which is why Uzmanov is so desperate for Arsenal to spend big.

 

[Jordinho]

Go on Dawson. Always liked you.

 

[paxtonwolf]

Get in.. right ref blow the final whistle

 

[paxtonwolf]

Scrap that, get another 5 please Hull

 

[Baleforce]

has a more perfect goal ever happened?

 

[Neymar]

Of course it is about winning.

i would say that its about more than just winning. these guys want their clubs to mask whatever atrocities they may have committed back home. they want to use their clubs as a vehicle to portray a more positive image of themselves. thats why they spend so much of aspects of the club that will not really contribute much to them winning. ie. the subsidies they have put into their womens clubs. or the extensive community work these clubs do. i think they want "pretty football" just as much as winning football.

 

[awesome dawson]

I'd rather still have Dawson than Fazio/Dier

 

[parklane1]

again i think that's a disservice, Chelsea were the best attacking unit in the first half of the season, they have changed due to injuries lately granted but they are not a one trick pony, they can shut the game down when they need to which is something all the great sides have done

I expect Abramovich goes to sleep every night thanking his lucky stars Jose came along, he's still the best signing Chelsea have ever made

Chelsea last won the Prem in 2009/10 since then they have had three managers who have failed to do it again ( despite all their money). They bring Jose back and guess what he win it again for them. A personal dislike of Jose is one thing but the facts speak for themselves he is a great manager, and as you say Abramovich is happy again.

 

[Jordinho]

i would say that its about more than just winning. these guys want their clubs to mask whatever atrocities they may have committed back home. they want to use their clubs as a vehicle to portray a more positive image of themselves. thats why they spend so much of aspects of the club that will not really contribute much to them winning. ie. the subsidies they have put into their womens clubs. or the extensive community work these clubs do. i think they want "pretty football" just as much as winning football.

Abramovich wanted a more attacking style when Jose left the first time. I'd say he's compromised to keep the trophies coming.

 

[parklane1]

I'd rather still have Dawson than Fazio/Dier

Nope.

 

[Neymar]

Abramovich wanted a more attacking style when Jose left the first time. I'd say he's compromised to keep the trophies coming.

yeah i would partly agree here. no manager could bring either winning football or attractive football. but i think that was partly because they were trying to play attractive football with a side that still consisted largely of mourinho dna. just look at the problems avb encountered when he tried to move on the old guard. the team basically refused to adopt a different philosophy. but wasnt mourinho talking about how he was going to play a better brand of football when he came back 2 years ago? i dont think anything has changed. i think hes incapable of letting his team loose.