Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

[Spursalot]

The CL is being marketed as the greatest competition ever, but in reality it's rather boring. And there aren't any club that can guarantee their players participation for the entire length of a contract. Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Barca, Real, Bayern, Inter, AC and Juventus would have been the obvious candidates and now City, but Inter and Chelsea have finished outside their country's places this season, Juve have been out of it a few years and Liverpool are nowhere near getting back in. There's only so many players these clubs can have. If CL is THAT important for a player he should probably look towards Russia/Ukraine/Portugal. None of the clubs there are likely to get past the quarters (though you never know), but at least you get to play in it.

Rather boring? I just you were just yawning your way through Inter Milan against Spurs? Or the game against AC Milan?



The CL is important, more important is doing well in it. So saying they should go to Russia/Ukraine/Portugal is like saying why don't players want to come to England to play for Wigan/Stoke/Villa. They want to go to Man United/Chelsea/Emirates Marketing Project because not only will they be paid more, they will also have a chance at winning it.

 

[ArcspacE]

All the players we're linked with at the moment are players that are looking to make a move to a bigger league/club. For them to wait for us to qualify before signing makes no sense, unless they have other offers from clubs already in the CL. And if they do, they could just sign for that club right now.

- Could be offers from smaller clubs / leagues who are already in the CL - not appealing

- Could be offers from bigger clubs for less money / squad status - dangerous career move

- etc.

In addition - most of the players we've been 'linked' with so far are by no means priority buys - nothing more than squad units which would imrpove our bench not our starting 11 (bar Remy if Ade/Defore leave).

We need much better buys than that so if we can't afford 150k/week - guess what comes next

It is not that black and white - we can attract much better players with the CL promise - even on our wages. Which shows how crucial 3rd was last season

 

[WookieD]

His opening line was

'Remy is a forward who plays on the right, no?'

He was seeking for some opinions on the matter so I offered mine (having watched a dozen of his games live). Didn't even look at that formation until you broght it up actually. Perhaps I should have deleted it from the quote all together.

I'm not making anything up - he is nothing like Kuyt (who was transformed into a winger under Benny Hill and was similar to KJH in his Dutch days).

I've never seen him play in Kuyt's position either so I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion. He plays as Marseille's main man - much like Ade did for us last season.

Remy would be wasted and in that formation and as already mentioned - I doubt Arry would opt for that anyway

He also returned 21 goals in the past campaign which is a fair amount. Out of those 12 (29 starts) were in the league at a ratio of 1 every 184 minutes and a roughy 50% shot accuracy

Adebayor returned 17 goals from 33 games in the league (including number of pens) at a ratio of 1 goals every 167 minutes.

I don't think he's such a bad shout for the right amount, imv - that's all

Sorry mate, I've been going on his Ligue 1 performance and 12 goals in a season is not enough. I said Chamakh would be brick and I'll go out on a limb here and say I reckon Remy will fail in England. You can slaughter me for it later if you like, but that's my opinion. I don't think he's a great goalscorer and I don't think he's anything like Ade in terms of his power, link play and intelligence. The Spanish waiter has sometimes had Kuyt play wing, but actually he plays the right forward positon well. The two aren't the same right.

Gervinho was never going to be a prolific scorer either, and to call him a striker is nonesense. However, he isn't a winger either. He's a forward and in the modern game is deployed to the side of the main striker. As for Remy, I just don't think he's good enough for us in any position, and he's going to cost a bomb. Bad move imo.

 

[Jordinho]

The biggest "need to play in the CL" is for us rather than the players - the cash impact is massive so can understand why our transfers wont be completely finalised til late Aug when we know what competition we'll be in

I don't think that has such an impact on our transfer dealings. A lot of the income will go towards player bonuses anyway. We spent a lot of money 2-3-4 years ago and Levy said we wouldn't be doing that in the future. As these are paid off we'll be able to invest again if we want to.

 

[WookieD]

You may not rate him, thats your problem, but he is a striker.

Is defoe a right winger? Nope, so why would someone carry on saying he was as we all know he isnt. You`re doing exacly the same thing. Remy is as much a winger as defoe.

fudge my arse, you know there's a difference between being a forward and winger right? Have I said anywhere to use him as a winger? Is Nikolas Anelka a winger? Is Craig Bellamy a winger? You get the difference?

 

[ArcspacE]

Sorry mate, I've been going on his Ligue 1 performance and 12 goals in a season is not enough. I said Chamakh would be brick and I'll go out on a limb here and say I reckon Remy will fail in England. You can slaughter me for it later if you like, but that's my opinion. I don't think he's a great goalscorer and I don't think he's anything like Ade in terms of his power, link play and intelligence. The Spanish waiter has sometimes had Kuyt play wing, but actually he plays the right forward positon well. The two aren't the same right.

Gervinho was never going to be a prolific scorer either, and to call him a striker is nonesense. However, he isn't a winger either. He's a forward and in the modern game is deployed to the side of the main striker. As for Remy, I just don't think he's good enough for us in any position, and he's going to cost a bomb. Bad move imo.

Actually I think Chamkah (who in my opinion is half the player Remy appears to be) was mismanaged by Wenger and following his bright PL start faded on the bench and lost all form / confidence. RVP never got injured last season either so all hope appeared gone.

To me Remy plays in a position as far from Gervinho as Scott Parker does but I guess everyone is judging for himself here

 

[WookieD]

And just to make it clear, it annoys me a bit that this is angled in a way that it seems I would like us to sign Kone.
Just wanted to mention us being linked with the man. One of hundreds this summer I assume.

Well it certainly sounded that way Sonny Jim, you just be careful! Anyway, next!

 

[Jordinho]

Rather boring? I just you were just yawning your way through Inter Milan against Spurs? Or the game against AC Milan?



The CL is important, more important is doing well in it. So saying they should go to Russia/Ukraine/Portugal is like saying why don't players want to come to England to play for Wigan/Stoke/Villa. They want to go to Man United/Chelsea/Emirates Marketing Project because not only will they be paid more, they will also have a chance at winning it.

The CL is dead boring. I hardly watch any of it. Even a friendly between Spurs and Bournemouth is more interesting than almost all of the group matches (not including Tottenham).

I get the idea that players want to play for the top clubs, but doesn't that mean that the actual CL matches aren't that crucial? It usually comes down to money. I think more players should look at playing in a second tier league and actually push themselves, rather than just pick up a pay check scrapping against relegation. Though, some players are just meant to be in relegation battles.

 

[WookieD]

Actually I think Chamkah (who in my opinion is half the player Remy appears to be) was mismanaged by Wenger and following his bright PL start faded on the bench and lost all form / confidence. RVP never got injured last season either so all hope appeared gone.

To me Remy plays in a position as far from Gervinho as Scott Parker does but I guess everyone is judging for himself here

You're absolutely right about Gervinho, I'm just using him as an example as he is another player coming from Ligue1 that was misunderstood by people (People called him a right winger as well when personally whenever I saw him for Ivory coast or Lille he was playing up front or on the left).

But... I don't think Remy would be a good striker in this league. If we played 4-5-1 with him up top, we would start drying up in front of goal. As for Chamakh, I didn't see him as a "star" player in France. A purple streak for the scummers doesn't change my opinion of him.

 

[Rorschach]

The CL is not boring when we are in it and that's all I care about.

Like it or not the CL is the pinnacle of European club football is worth 30-40mil to competing teams directly. What's more the increased exposure brings massive marketing possibilities to the club which may well outweigh the prize money. A couple of years in the CL and provided you have some decent marketing people your revenue should increase massively. It is a self perpetuating source of income and if you have no sugar daddy like us, then this is the only way to compete against the big spenders.

For the players it adds zeros on their cheques and worldwide exposure. Top players want to play for CL teams, simple as.

 

[Spursalot]

The CL is dead boring. I hardly watch any of it. Even a friendly between Spurs and Bournemouth is more interesting than almost all of the group matches (not including Tottenham).

I get the idea that players want to play for the top clubs, but doesn't that mean that the actual CL matches aren't that crucial? It usually comes down to money. I think more players should look at playing in a second tier league and actually push themselves, rather than just pick up a pay check scrapping against relegation. Though, some players are just meant to be in relegation battles.

Standard to me. I see La Liga and pretty much all the other leagues as boring because Spurs are not in them.



Some CL matches are more crucial then others sure, but how is that different to the League? It's not.

 

[charlietheyid]

You're absolutely right about Gervinho, I'm just using him as an example as he is another player coming from Ligue1 that was misunderstood by people (People called him a right winger as well when personally whenever I saw him for Ivory coast or Lille he was playing up front or on the left).

But... I don't think Remy would be a good striker in this league. If we played 4-5-1 with him up top, we would start drying up in front of goal. As for Chamakh, I didn't see him as a "star" player in France. A purple streak for the scummers doesn't change my opinion of him.

They only got Chamakh because he was free. I actually think he started quite well at Arsenal, then sat on the bench for months.

Gervinho was a right winger. I never really rated him.

 

[spurspinter1]

It's been a bit too long since this man was mentioned

We need to continue the rumours folks, get the ball rolling....

 

[Jordinho]

I think the ITK's must still be at school or something. Been quiet all day.

 

[Gutter Boy]

----Sandro---Modric

Remy----Rafa----Bale

---------Ade


is how I see it working.

Remy is a Wiltord/Gervinho/Hulk/Bellamy. He cuts in with the ball with power and pace. He can't hold the ball up like a #9 and he's not a great finisher.

 

[Jordinho]

[Update 11] The Journalist with a round-up or should that read wind up?

Who: The Journalist
When: 18th May
Where: SC

The Journalist said:
I thought I would just give round up of what I know.

I am told that Loric Remy was supposed to be in London this week to look around the facilities BUT it is not going to happen now because the thigh injury he picked up means he needs to stay in France for treatment. They still hope he will be fit BUT I’m told the injury will mean he miss Euro’s, but looks like deal is close. Also told he might not be the only Marseille that you bid for.

Tottenham are also in prime position to sign Redmond and Butland from Birmingham. Don’t know details of the deal but looks like Townsend will stay at Birmingham as part of deal and Redmond might also be loaned back.

Also told that Tottenham are looking for 2 centre halves; Caulker will be loaned backed (don’t understand because I think he’s got potential to be top class and is already better than most you’ve got). I’m not hearing anything on Vertonghen.

I’ve said before Modric IS Real Madrid’s number 1 target.

There are some noises being made about other players but not as much as you would think and not as much as before. A lot of the stronger noises are suggesting French based players.

 

[ArcspacE]

Remy is a Wiltord/Gervinho/Hulk/Bellamy.

He is absolutely nothing like those players at Marseille atm.

 

[Jordinho]

[Update 12] Ryantegan on Dirk Kuyt

We know we have lists of players that we are looking at depending on what competitions we will feature in next season. Well I dont know how many players are on the list but Dirk Kuyt is on one of them.

Liverpool will sell for sure. Wouldnt cost much either but might need to take a pay cut

 

[Spursalot]

----Sandro---Modric

Remy----Rafa----Bale

---------Ade


is how I see it working.

Remy is a Wiltord/Gervinho/Hulk/Bellamy. He cuts in with the ball with power and pace. He can't hold the ball up like a #9 and he's not a great finisher.

Pretty sure i've seen it mentioned here that Remy doesn't cross and that he's also bad at passing.

So he's just going to get the ball and run around a bit?

8-[

 

[Jordinho]

Amazing how many that are able to make a good career out of being brick at football.