Bishop
Nick Barmby
Bro let's be real, he's a fast better LB than Gray. He also suits better than Spence just by having a left foot.
Spence should be challenging Porro for starts, maybe even play both of them with Porro taking a RW role occasionally.
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Sergio Reguilón
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Spence should be challenging Porro for starts, maybe even play both of them with Porro taking a RW role occasionally.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
We'll, I mean, if you want me to be real about it I actually hold the same opinion as I stated earlier.
I don't think he's suited to this inverted left back role. I think we benefit more from giving that game time to players who are in the manager's long term thinking.
He's a good player, in the right system even a very good player. In most systems probably better than Spence and Gray. In this system not better than Spence and I'd rather see Gray get more game time to continue his development.
Muttley
Wilson Palacios
I'd rather Ange showed some versatility and showed us that he can flick the switch on these tactical systems. We learned one of 2 things on Saturday
1) Ange assumed Reggie was gone and didn't even try to make him play the same way as his other full-backs.
OR
2) Ange has tried and failed to get Reggie to play his way
Either way, the results were intriguing. Our entire left side looked better. We got Reggie on the outside and we got Sonny back on the inside. We got Madds pulling strings. We also saw a couple of really tasty crosses coming in from Reggie.
Now I imagine Udogie being able to switch between the 2 systems and how disruptive that could be to opposition managers. It would be an amazing string to the bow if you really want to become less predictable and win things. Not sure Udogie has Reggie's cross on him, but would love to find out.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Or...
3) Ange realises Reguilon can't be effective inverted so doesn't use him in that way.
4) Game state made it the natural way for the players to operate.
Imo we have seen both Udogie and Porro mix it up more between underlapping and overlapping runs than last season, and particularly the start of last season.
Udogie isn't a very good crosser, but neither is Reguilon (at least before when he was playing regularly). As a more traditional overlapping attacking full back it was one of his weaknesses imo.
Regulion is only here cos we couldn't find a buyer and had spare PL squad space, with that in mind I can't really complain about his lack of game time and agree with @braineclipse that it makes sense for the manager to have been playing those players that have a long term future here. That we've had to rely on him due to the extent of injuries we've got now makes it look a mistake not to have involved him more, I'm sure with hindsight we'd have probably looked to have used him more earlier in the season
Bishop
Nick Barmby
Hmm I'm gonna start sounding like I'm his dad but Reg has a really good whip of a cross, he doesn't use all that often but it's got great shape. We've scored at least a handful directly from one of his crosses. He was even on corners against Saudi Sportswashing Machine because he's good a good cross on him.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Perhaps some differences in how we speak/write about these things.
I will agree that he has rather good ball striking technique. He does put in the occasional really good cross.
He doesn't use it all that often. Imo because of how he plays. He's often very "hectic" in his playing style imo, doesn't slow down. It's all full tempo all the time and if that ends up in a good crossing position he can whip one in. But too often it ends up with not that situation.
To me being a good crosser is about more than just the ball striking of the actual cross. It's about decision making, getting in the right situations. Being able to create separation to get space for the cross. Perisic was an excellent crosser for example, and had great ball striking with both feet as part of that. But also had those other parts to his game that allowed him to use that. That made him a great crosser.
I also think Reguilon is too inconsistent with his ball striking in those situations to be seen as a particularly good crosser.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
This is nonsense. We have Spence who’s second choice. Reggie is third choice and not part of our plans going forward. But he has been used to relieve players now, exactly as you’ve asked. Nonsensical.
Yiddo
Jack Jull
The same happened on the right in the second half, Porro stayed wider and was swinging crosses which were dangerous. I think it was tactical rather than Reggie just playing his normal game.
Muttley
Wilson Palacios
My 2 and your 3 amount to the same thing. Ange would have hopefully tried him inverted on the training ground, and perhaps found out he can't do it and not suited to it.
What becomes interesting is when Ange has access to Reggie, Davies, Spence and Gray but not Udogie. That is very likely to happen soon.
There is a strong argument that Reggie is the best and most natural left back in a front foot system. My guess is that he won't even be in the squad at that point. He may not even be at the club.
Daisuk
Nayim
Some of us asked about it earlier in the season when Porro and Udogie both looked knackered and/or injured. That's what I refered to.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
I agree, I think it likely wasn’t a weapon in his previous spell here as our forwards then were not the type to attack crosses.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
I think Ange has known for some time that Reguilon doesn't suit the inverted role.
If Ange has those players and our best centre backs available I think it's Spence, then perhaps even Gray ahead of Reguilon. Not sure about Davies.
I think there's a very good chance he's not at the club at that point.
He is a very good left back for a front foot system I think. But not one with inverted full backs asking full backs to play more centrally in build up.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
Porro swinging crosses in isn't far off (in effectiveness) to TAA doing it for Liverpool.
ie it should be encouraged
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
Really think a dribbly creative winger ahead of him could open up more space for him to do just that.
To continue the TAA comparison. Would he be as effective with his crossing if opponents didn't have to care so much about what Salah could do ahead of him? Probably still would be really good, but it sure helps.
Bishop
Nick Barmby
Kind of going off tangent in my reply but I'm leaning to thinking that the central FBs does a disservice to the team. Udogie has become quite ineffectual there (he was very good lady season in the centre), I saw a game of his for Italy this season and he was making slalom runs on the outside and his runs were really penetrative and dangerous. I think it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to sometimes vary how our FBs play at times because it does seem that actually playing a bit more traditionally suits their innate abilities more. No harm in the occasional outside run, especially if the centre is overly congested.
braineclipse
Terry Dyson
I think we have been varying things a bit at least. I think part of the lack of effect from our (first choice) full backs in general has been fatigue. And those high intensity runs both inside and outside have lessened because of that fatigue.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Medley
I was really commenting on Porros great crossing ability in isolation.
But tactically I think a wide man ahead of him that inverts from wide is even more effective as that draws the opposition FB inside and leaves so much space on the flank. But yes, a dribbly wide man that put backwards pressure on the FB works as well especially as Porro doesn't need to be that advanced to deliver a quality cross.
The irony being we tactically do neither of those two scenarios
I suppose one could argue that when he is more central himself it brings him into shooting range?
fernadez
Jermaine Jenas
The other side of this is that it makes us less susceptible to getting done down the wings.
The full backs are in a position where the can react to counter attacks if they've stayed wide. And also the midfield can reatin more natural positions as well. Reggie and Porro played more orthodox and we managed to sustain pressure on Saudi Sportswashing Machine. There was no cheap cross field over the top from them to exploit.
Add to this that Spence and Gray were deeper than our CB's usually would be.
We lost nothing going forward but were more structured defensively in that second half then I have seen us for a long time, and that was with a 354th choice. back 4. Another knock on was that all of a sudden Bissouma looked happier, was just getting about sniffing out danger and cleaning up.