In this instance I will allow it. Putin probably has a big hard on for Stalin and certainly has ambitions about getting in the history books himself, but the rest of the world just sees him as a wannabe Hitler.
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Putin & Russia
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In this instance I will allow it. Putin probably has a big hard on for Stalin and certainly has ambitions about getting in the history books himself, but the rest of the world just sees him as a wannabe Hitler.
metalgear
Luka Modric
This is stoking the fire. Zelensky is a looking for quick solutions but risking the long term relationship between Ukraine and Russia, even if peace ensues.
Democracies are led by politicians with up to 10 year viewpoints. The communist parties.... They exist for far longer and never forget !
If Zelensky wanted peace he'd focus on appeasing Putin. He looks like he wants to go down a hero. And I'm guessing that that's probably the attitude that made Putin hoppinh mad in the first place!
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There is no long term relationship between Ukraine and Russia. That's dead.
Either Ukraine fights them off, the sanctions work (lol) or someone comes to their defence.
metalgear
Luka Modric
Maybe. I were Zelensky I would give in to Russia's demands now and salvage what I can. I believe that Putin himself is capable of being magnanimous, if he feels respected.
Zelensky is dragging the world into his fight.
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Rorschach
Ricky Villa
What made Putin hoppinh mad (sic.) is that Ukraine was democratic and free. Ukraine's progress only highlighted Russia's failures.
Appeasement has got us where we are now. Each time the line was redrawn it emboldened Putin more. Ukraine is a line that won't be redrawn.
Russia is not communist anymore, btw.
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
I think you need to revisit some history books which cover Europe in the 1930s.
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
There's a couple more possible outcomes than those three...one of which being, Russia wrecks the place for the next five years (as happened in Syria) and the world sits back and watches.
monkeybarry
Jack Jull
The last bit won't happen this time - the reaction is too stark already and it's too close to home.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Russia have been doing it/getting away with it in Europe - Moldova (Transnistria), Georgia (South Ossetia and Abkhazia) and Armenia (Nagorno-Karabakh) - for two decades.
Putin has dragged the world in to this fight.
kb 1984
Andy Gray
I watched a documentary on Putin some time ago his hero is peter the great. He has written extensively about his hero. He isn’t a fan of Stalin. Which I found pretty weird as you would think he would be a stalin fanboy
metalgear
Luka Modric
Too late now but should have let Putin have his buffer zone with clear conditions.
Should be fighting world hunger or saving the environment more than political ideals. Let Russia deal with ex soviet States. How,
much direct involvement should there be from "the west"?
Won't be surprised if we see another Cuban missile crisis event after the dust has settled with Ukraine.
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Robbo
Paul Walsh
Say what?
Sorry, but that's total flimflam. It's like claiming the King of Norway dragged Hitler into his fight when Germany invaded Norway in 1940.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Nope you are not allowed to mention that period anyone who does so is banging on about the past.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
What?
I must've missed something here. Has someone suggested that history is not worth learning from? Especially the history around Hitler/Germany's ascension?
awesome dawson
Mitchell Thomas
https://fb.watch/btxMXLOgy3/
Not sure if this link will work but jeez it shows how modern warfare has evolved. Unbelievable pilot skills for the most part.
Not sure if this link will work but jeez it shows how modern warfare has evolved. Unbelievable pilot skills for the most part.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Buffer zone with clear conditions? Would those conditions include not annexing parts of Ukraine?
Should Ukraine be told to demilitarise, sign an agreement stating that they will never join NATO, accept the losses of what was not long ago part of their nation? What else? Accept meddling in their political process so that a Putin friendly government is put in place? Will that satisfy Putin? Or only be one more deal with clear conditions for him to break when he feels like it?
I don't think Putin will be happy with a buffer zone, he wants control. He doesn't want a neutral Ukraine. He wants Ukraine, if he can't have that he wants them under his control. He's made his expansionist ideals clear to see. Let's trust his actions, not his words.
And in all of this what does Ukraine and it's population want? I'm from Norway. I cannot express the relief that comes from us being a NATO member when bordering Putin's cleptocracy.
I cannot with a clear consciousness be of the opinion that Ukraine should surrender part of their territory and their ability to make their own foreign policy decisions. Not when Putin so clearly shows us what he is up to. There is no agreement to be struck that he can be trusted to uphold. There is no lie he won't tell.
If Ukraine wanted concessions, try further to keep the peace, if they wanted to sign a statement that they would never join NATO or the EU - I would support their decision. I would be sad, but I would respect their choice in the face of war. When they want to fight for their rights who are we to say otherwise?
Who are we to say "no"? No NATO, no EU. No sovereignty. No freedom. Just exists, against your wishes, under the thumb of Putin and good luck.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
40 mile convoy of Russian troops and artillery making its way through Ukraine now, it’s difficult to fathom that! Pretty scary as well.