Putin & Russia

[scaramanga]

It wouldn't be a UN. Let's start a DN - democratic nations? But then the US would want veto power, along with several others I would guess.

We already mostly have the cooperation a DN would give us. Though isolationsts want us to weaken ties between nations.

The UN is, and should be, something different imo. And it is, though flawed, it does some good.

That's fine. Got a democracy? You can have a veto.

 

[scaramanga]

one nation one vote, whether they are democracies or not. Of course I would prefer if all nations were proper democracies.

all nations are equal whether that’s China or Belgium.

won’t be perfect, but better than what we have now.

I don't think the US would go for that and probably the UK too.

No vetoes at all would be perfect but just giving them to democracies would have the desired effect without alienating too many big players.

 

[DTA]

That is really easy. Turkey tell the Russians that they will be sent to the bottom of the sea if they do not comply with their instructions.

thats why I said it’s a flash point. If Turkey do that and Russian ships do not comply?

 

[Jordinho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498324120425189388

 

[DTA]

I don't think the US would go for that and probably the UK too.

No vetoes at all would be perfect but just giving them to democracies would have the desired effect without alienating too many big players.

All democracies? Or just democracies that are are now part of the 5 that have them now?

 

[johnola]

thats why I said it’s a flash point. If Turkey do that and Russian ships do not comply?

They’ll be destroyed. Am I missing something?

 

[DTA]

They’ll be destroyed. Am I missing something?

Turkey is part of NATO, so a Third World War I guess.

 

[johnola]

Turkey is part of NATO, so a Third World War I guess.

It’s an everyday threat and nothing new.

What would your response be?

 

[Rorschach]

Just an application but one step further.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1498326340591919110

 

[DTA]

It’s an everyday threat and nothing new.

What would your response be?

I don’t have one, I’m just highlighting it as a flashpoint, that could lead to a much wider conflict.

and posing the question, if a Third World War are the stakes would NATO Back Turkey if it fired first?

 

[Lilbaz]

I don’t have one, I’m just highlighting it as a flashpoint, that could lead to a much wider conflict.

and posing the question, if a Third World War are the stakes would NATO Back Turkey if it fired first?

Article 5 is only triggered if you are a victim of an armed attack.

 

[Gutter Boy]

might be tricky as no one is allowed to get within 30 feet of him.

Lots of ways to skin a cat.

It might no be (just) the CIA exploring that either, disgruntled oligarchs could easily bribe his security detail

 

[braineclipse]

Is this the whole Leopold II thing?

Find myself in need of stupid needless humour at times not always appropriate. So just an attempt at that. Not to be taken seriously.

 

[Rorschach]

Find myself in need of stupid needless humour at times not always appropriate. So just an attempt at that. Not to be taken seriously.

That was my attempt at needless humor too.

 

[Rorschach]

This is funny....soldier on the left.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497894602283663366

 

[johnola]

I don’t have one, I’m just highlighting it as a flashpoint, that could lead to a much wider conflict.

and posing the question, if a Third World War are the stakes would NATO Back Turkey if it fired first?

When Turkey are attacked yes without a shadow of doubt that is what NATO is and why Russia will not be able to cross clear lines set for them.

 

[Lilbaz]

When they are attacked yes without a shadow of doubt that is what NATO is and why Russia will not be able to cross clear lines set for them.

If the turks fire first, article 5 would not be triggered.

 

[johnola]

If the turks fire first, article 5 would not be triggered.

Yes - is that not what I said?

 

[DTA]

Yes - is that not what I said?

but then sinking Russian ships that don’t comply, would be a massively risky move for Turkey, basically it would be declaring war on Russia without NATOs backing.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yes - is that not what I said?

You said when turkey is attacked nato will join in.

If turkey fires first though nato would not join in. So how are turkey meant to stop russian ships passing through?