Baleforce
Les Bennett
Even that clam can see it, and I wouldn’t trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.
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Even that clam can see it, and I wouldn’t trust him to sit the right way on a toilet seat.
kb 1984
Andy Gray
No it's not the epicenter of football but Asia is a huge market I would suggest if he was heading up the city groups business interests in Asia he knows what he is doing.
I don't know if he is good on the business side of football he could be completely crap at his job. Unless you know something I don't you don't know if he is any good at his job either
If I'm honest I couldn't tell you how good any of our board members are they could all be yes men/women & all have to bow down to Daniel
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
It would've been far easier if he'd had more options off the bench. His two options yesterday were Gray and Bergvall. Gray had to go and play LCB (!!! - again) and Bergvall did eventually come on, albeit I doubt he was bought to hit the ground this season as an immediate first team impact player. Bentancur unavailable. Meanwhile, Chelsea had the luxury of being able to play Lavia, Enzo, and Caicedo. Lavia cost 53 million, Enzo 106 million, and Caicedo cost 115 million. That's 274 million quid!!!!!!!!!
Sarr cost 14.6 million, Bissouma 25 million, and Deki 25 million.
On another note, it'd have been a far easier game if the ref had given Caicedo the red card he should've got in the first-half. Then Chelsea would've been actually outnumbered.
What he didn't say was what I just said above. Chelsea effectively played an extra midfielder in Caicedo who flipped to right-back in defensive motions. Wouldn't have found that as easy to do had we played Werner there (speed) but there we go.
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Agree. Whilst I support Ange we shouldn't be making too many allowances for some consistent misgivings. However, I do find it interesting that when we win we tend to win well and against the big clubs (or any team for that matter) when we do lose it is by the odd goal - hence we still have a very good goal difference. That tells me there are some fine margins whether it be personnel upgrades/returns from injury or little tactical tweaks that really would have us on a good path. But work to be done and we can't ignore or make too many excuses for what has happened.....
SteveAWOL
Barry Daines
Even the trolls at TalkSport have got FootballMeta in to dissect our tactics, maybe Munn needs to upgrade our coaching staff whilst Lange sorts out the playing squad if there’s any hope for KamikAngeBall to succeed in EPL as it did in SPL.
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
MOTD2 made the same point on the void in midfield, although they focused on later in the game.
No attack of your good self. You just happened to outline how Conte liked things. Two ironies: he didn’t like to play Bissouma. And I think we saw why yesterday afternoon. He’s a fuking liability! 1 game in 10 he’s outstanding and puts in a match winning performance. But the converse is also true. 1 game out of 10 he’s appalling. The loss of the ball out wide, then his head and then the pen was total implosion.
The second irony is fans wanted Conte gone (too early, he should have been replaced at the end of the season) and were clambering for more enjoyable attacking football. Now the appetite has changed and as you summed up: they want a bit more defensive now!
I think there is also a bit of a misunderstanding of Ange. That his approach is just cavilear and flawed. But such an analysis is really missing a lot imo. There is much much more to his vision and way of playing than say an Ozzy Ardiles. Ange system is pushing us to the limits: but that is the point. We commit everything to attack that we can. There isn’t much margin. It is right on the limit. Yet it works. In Postecoglous system working well we will outscore other sides include the top teams. We will play in a way others do not. And that will be our advantage. That it’s harder to achieve is a given. Otherwise everyone would be doing it.
I don't know why you keep bringing Conte in to it - the only thing I said was that when a team & it's players are more comfortable with the tactics the manager wants to play they will make less mistakes - by way of tactics being second nature to them rather than being at the forefront of their minds during matches. This is true of any team/manager/approach - just because Gutter Boy used to bang on about Conte and his automations it doesn't mean this is an alien concept outside of him and his approach
it's just human nature - clearer mind, better able to focus.We are currently plagued with individual mistakes in games - many arguing the players making the mistakes are letting Ange down and if the players would cut them out then everything would be rosey - I think that argument is flipped the wrong way and that the mistakes are a symptom of the tactics not being bedded in yet - now, you can argue this one way or the other - 1.5 seasons is a long enough time that the approach should be better bedded in or that it's not and he needs 2 seasons/3 seasons to get there. (Or indeed that all of the above is gonads
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SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
I don't know why you keep bringing Conte in to it - the only thing I said was that when a team & it's players are more comfortable with the tactics the manager wants to play they will make less mistakes - by way of tactics being second nature to them rather than being at the forefront of their minds during matches. This is true of any team/manager/approach - just because Gutter Boy used to bang on about Conte and his automations it doesn't mean this is an alien concept outside of him and his approach
We are currently plagued with individual mistakes in games - many arguing the players making the mistakes are letting Ange down and if the players would cut them out then everything would be rosey - I think that argument is flipped the wrong way and that the mistakes are a symptom of the tactics not being bedded in yet - now, you can argue this one way or the other - 1.5 seasons is a long enough time that the approach should be better bedded in or that it's not and he needs 2 seasons/3 seasons to get there. (Or indeed that all of the above is gonads
Unless you are happy with the results I’d suggest 1.5 seasons isn’t long enough. We are within one snapshot right now. Without enough players. Yet we should have got a result against a decent Chelsea side.
There are mistakes in defence that happen when stretched, and then there are brain dead tackles in the box. Hacking down a player going nowhere isn’t due to any tactical setup. Such brainless hacks occur under other managers and setup. It’s a loss of focus as much to do with the crowd and atmosphere as anything else.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
It's a squad that will be well covered when/if Lankshear, Moore, Bergvall, Gray and Spence (I'm not counting Reguilon, think he's gone) develop to a point that they're trusted by Ange to start PL games with some regularity.
That will take some time, if it happens. For some of them it may happen this season, I certainly hope so.
Injuries will happen, I think we've been a bit unlucky with them.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
And what gets the crowd and atmosphere in that state….
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I thought Sonny had him in the right place a lot of the first half (Caicido)
Second half they moved him back into midfield
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Drink and drugs in a lot of cases is wager
Then of course the argument that we pay your fudging wages
And of course the tribal nature of a collective of people in a controlled space
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
Deep man, deep
The context is us discussing the managers position, right?
Given that a manager can’t control each and every movement of a player, separating the way we play from things like a galling nonsense tackle that gave away a goal (two goals) is all. Ultimately the manger chooses the players and is responsible. I think it is interesting that Conte didn’t trust Bissouma. And only used Sarr sparingly.
Had Bentancur been available certainly one of them would have been subbed by the time the pens were lost.
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Baleforce
Les Bennett
Ha ok, I’d go with it mostly being the constant state of panic with the opposition repeatedly waltzing into dangerous areas.
SpurMeUp
Gary Stevens
It was similar in the last Chelsea game at home. We had the chance to top the PL? Also a London rival. The stakes couldn’t be higher. The crowd couldn’t be more pumped.
In hindsight a year ago, Ange needed to cool the side down. The atmosphere would give them the passion and verve. What we needed a year back was focus and inner belief. To not be rash. The ref also got wound into it and gave a red that day. And on Sunday didn’t in our favour.
SteveAWOL
Barry Daines
Must be nice to be able to bring on a fresh RB at half time to try and change up a game... although it could be construed as cheating
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
You need to get to the games more to see the mixed bag of fans and the varying states
spurspinter1
Pat van den Hauwe
Deep man, deep
The context is us discussing the managers position, right?
Given that a manager can’t control each and every movement of a player, separating the way we play from things like a galling nonsense tackle that gave away a goal (two goals) is all. Ultimately the manger chooses the players and is responsible. I think it is interesting that Conte didn’t trust Bissouma. And only used Sarr sparingly.
Had Bentancur been available certainly one of them would have been subbed by the time the pens were lost.
I don't know how to make it clearer and we're already at father Mcdougal with sheep that are near, and sheep that are far away.
"If only Bentancur wasn't suspended", well he was. So we're back to the two categories of things that happened, and things that didn't, you can call it deep in a mocking way but it's better if you can display that you have grasped the concept. My interjection was about pointless hypotheticals, I even said it wasn't about your post holistically as i agreed with the gist of it, sorry mate i can't spell it out any simpler.
Baleforce
Les Bennett
fudge that, I hate football fans.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
That’s the joys of having no one injured (or very few) and changing your team every game because of thatMust be nice to be able to bring on a fresh RB at half time to try and change up a game... although it could be construed as cheating