***** OMT TOTTENHAM VS CHELSKI *****

[thfcsteff]

Nowhere near the depth to do what exactly? Challenge for the title? Top 4? Maybe you're right. I'm talking about being able to win more games than we lose as a first step - walk before we can run and all that. We have pretty much 2 first team experienced players for every position. You can only register so many players over the age of 21 and non home grown and club trained in Europe.

You guys are saying Ange doesn't have the squad to be able to better than two points against Leicester, Palace, Ipswich, Fulham, Bournemouth. Just for example.

I keep repeating this, we are on course, unless something drastically changes, for our lowest league finish and points total in probably a quarter of a century. So all these issues with ENIC hamstringing managers with "imperfect" squads and whatever else away from the coaching and management you want to throw into the mix, there's a clear "everyone else has done better than this guy with similar issues" factor in my mind.

Look mate, you can debate it all you like, the facts are the facts. Gray and Bergvall are excellent talents but were bought to have this year to develop. I don't know how you arrive at the conclusion that currently -Dec 10th 2024- we have two experienced players for every position. We're nearly 8 players down!!!!!! Young players need bedding in. And young players always playing either out of their positions or coming into games where ideally you'd like a Richy, Bentacur or Davies, will find it tougher.

If you conclude that 'everyone else has done better than this guy' without the context of our current situation, I can only say I heartily disagree with both your opinion and perspective.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

Look mate, you can debate it all you like, the facts are the facts. Gray and Bergvall are excellent talents but were bought to have this year to develop. I don't know how you arrive at the conclusion that currently -Dec 10th 2024- we have two experienced players for every position. We're nearly 8 players down!!!!!! Young players need bedding in. And young players always playing either out of their positions or coming into games where ideally you'd like a Richy, Bentacur or Davies, will find it tougher.

If you conclude that 'everyone else has done better than this guy' without the context of our current situation, I can only say I heartily disagree with both your opinion and perspective.

Unless you consider he is/his staff are partly responsible for some of these injuries! (don't bother replying, that's just me being obnoxious... it happens from time to time)

 

[billyiddo]

Ange stated quite plainly that all the summer signings were brought in to have an impact straight away.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Ange stated quite plainly that all the summer signings were brought in to have an impact straight away.

Considering we had competition for all of them and I suspect part of us getting their signatures was because they were told they would get opportunities to play then I wouldn't expect our manager to say anything else. I think (and certainly hope) it is clear to all that none of Gray, Bergval or Odobert (or Yang) are yet anywhere near their peak

 

[billyiddo]

Of course they aren't at their peak

 

[Finney Is Back]

Of course they aren't at their peak

I Think Ange has sacrificed the short term for the long term. He has allowed quite a few experienced, ready now players to depart and replaced some of them (not even all of them) with promising young players who will need to learn on the job. It a really brave thing to do - assuming he was all for it and didn't just have it done to him, which I don't think is the case.... I think he was an advocate for this.

That is another reason why I think we should stick with him. I don't think there are many managers out there who would put their reputation on the line with short term results to try to achieve something major in the future.

 

[billyiddo]

I Think Ange has sacrificed the short term for the long term. He has allowed quite a few experienced, ready now players to depart and replaced some of them (not even all of them) with promising young players who will need to learn on the job. It a really brave thing to do - assuming he was all for it and didn't just have it done to him, which I don't think is the case.... I think he was an advocate for this.

That is another reason why I think we should stick with him. I don't think there are many managers out there who would put their reputation on the line with short term results to try to achieve something major in the future.

I think you're right that the squad building has been done with a focus on the medium term - looks like manager & club are alligned in that regard.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I think you're right that the squad building has been done with a focus on the medium term - looks like manager & club are alligned in that regard.

100%
Ange even said about it on his pressers on selling Kane for the benefit of the club not his own personal gain

 

[Mikey10]

Ange stated quite plainly that all the summer signings were brought in to have an impact straight away.

Let’s hope they don’t go the way of the last lot of youngsters (Marcus Edwards, Troy Parrott etc.) who we were all pinning our hopes on not that long ago.

 

[Kompakted]

If the squad stayed fit I would be able to agree
But it would never stay fit with the games and alleys we have
We’re about 3 experienced heads light and a couple more youth squad options imo

Why do we have half our squad out at the same time we had half our squad out last season? It's a problem down to the way we train and play and you read up on it and injuries have been a significant part of any Ange Postecoglu trained team...

 

[Kompakted]

Look mate, you can debate it all you like, the facts are the facts. Gray and Bergvall are excellent talents but were bought to have this year to develop. I don't know how you arrive at the conclusion that currently -Dec 10th 2024- we have two experienced players for every position. We're nearly 8 players down!!!!!! Young players need bedding in. And young players always playing either out of their positions or coming into games where ideally you'd like a Richy, Bentacur or Davies, will find it tougher.

If you conclude that 'everyone else has done better than this guy' without the context of our current situation, I can only say I heartily disagree with both your opinion and perspective.

The squad has two experienced players for every position. The teams we've been able to put out have been good enough to get better results. We continually pick up stupid red cards, give stupid fouls away and constantly have injuries. Ange's football is high stakes football where every tackle is a lunge, every attack is lung bursting and every time you lose the ball your full backs are ahead of you.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Why do we have half our squad out at the same time we had half our squad out last season? It's a problem down to the way we train and play and you read up on it and injuries have been a significant part of any Ange Postecoglu trained team...

It’s a multitude of things
And it’s more than half a squad
Some players have a history of injuries
Some are first season here and not ready
Some have issues with certain parts of the body
Impossible to tell accurately as a fan but of course its good to speculate

 

[DeanoAustin]

I Think Ange has sacrificed the short term for the long term. He has allowed quite a few experienced, ready now players to depart and replaced some of them (not even all of them) with promising young players who will need to learn on the job. It a really brave thing to do - assuming he was all for it and didn't just have it done to him, which I don't think is the case.... I think he was an advocate for this.

That is another reason why I think we should stick with him. I don't think there are many managers out there who would put their reputation on the line with short term results to try to achieve something major in the future.

There is no way that's his major thought process here. As a manager, especially at Tottenham, have a bad season and you're out. And this is the guy who said "I win things in my second year". You aren't saying that publicly if you're using your second year to build something for the future.

I'm sure Ange sees the big picture, that's the type of fella he is. But he's not being noble and sacrificing the short term for the big picture.

 

[billyiddo]

There is no way that's his major thought process here. As a manager, especially at Tottenham, have a bad season and you're out. And this is the guy who said "I win things in my second year". You aren't saying that publicly if you're using your second year to build something for the future.

I'm sure Ange sees the big picture, that's the type of fella he is. But he's not being noble and sacrificing the short term for the big picture.

When appointing a manager/head coach for the rebuild you'd hope to assume that the transfer strategy would have been outlined to them in the interview process - if Ange is speaking from the same hymn sheet then it would point to him being aware of what he was signing himself up to. This is actually a good thing for all parties

 

[Bedfordspurs]

There is no way that's his major thought process here. As a manager, especially at Tottenham, have a bad season and you're out. And this is the guy who said "I win things in my second year". You aren't saying that publicly if you're using your second year to build something for the future.

I'm sure Ange sees the big picture, that's the type of fella he is. But he's not being noble and sacrificing the short term for the big picture.

Well worth transcript of last weeks press conference where he highlights longtime club gain over his penal short term needs
And comments on him winning things in his second season was him actually correct someone in saying he has always won things
in his second season

 

[DeanoAustin]

Well worth transcript of last weeks press conference where he highlights longtime club gain over his penal short term needs
And comments on him winning things in his second season was him actually correct someone in saying he has always won things
in his second season

You say something like that in public, it becomes a meme particularly if you don’t live up to it. He’s either been very naive or he believes he will win something this season.

Any football manager who sacrifices a season for “the bigger picture” is a fool. Any football manager working under Daniel Levy who does it needs his head read.

I’m not saying he doesn’t look at the big picture but there is no way he’s writing off this season for some long term gain.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

You say something like that in public, it becomes a meme particularly if you don’t live up to it. He’s either been very naive or he believes he will win something this season.

Any football manager who sacrifices a season for “the bigger picture” is a fool. Any football manager working under Daniel Levy who does it needs his head read.

I’m not saying he doesn’t look at the big picture but there is no way he’s writing off this season for some long term gain.

He wouldnt write off one minute of a game imo
He is all about the experience
But it doesn’t mean he isn’t thinking long term in every decision
He showed that last year in that Chelsea game fkf ex apple
And memes are rarely with the context. He is an old man who wouldn’t give a toss about it IMO
It’s a pressure I’m sure he welcomes

 

[thfcsteff]

The squad has two experienced players for every position. The teams we've been able to put out have been good enough to get better results. We continually pick up stupid red cards, give stupid fouls away and constantly have injuries. Ange's football is high stakes football where every tackle is a lunge, every attack is lung bursting and every time you lose the ball your full backs are ahead of you.

I disagree with much of this. We have ONE red card this season and that was in the EL, and we are 14th from top for yellows. Your 'constantly give stupid fouls away' seems to be based on Sunday's silliness. As for 'two experienced players for every position, that does not stand the test of any time.

 

[Baleforce]

I disagree with much of this. We have ONE red card this season and that was in the EL, and we are 14th from top for yellows. Your 'constantly give stupid fouls away' seems to be based on Sunday's silliness. As for 'two experienced players for every position, that does not stand the test of any time.

Suggests to me we should me making more fouls higher up the pitch to disrupt the opposition attacks.