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[Jurgen the German]

Give it up.
Either that or you should pray he gets sacked and we go back into a 'short term gain long term pain' cycle again, because he is not going to change his ways and you're doing your own nut in (and mine a tiny bit if I'm truthful LOL)...

There is another option Steff, he tweaks things slightly. No one is asking him to play like Jose, just be realistic and sensible at times like Poch who was somewhere in the middle of the two coaches in terms of style of play. Is it really smart to have the full backs bombing on so much when we’re up against Salah and Diaz? Not to mention we have Dragusin and an 18 year old at CB which is not his preferred position. Just be pragmatic at times, not all the time, just sometimes. In all honesty, his post match comments after the United game and today about wanting to entertain and refusing to change his tactics make him look quite amateurish, like an Aussie Ted Lasso, accept he doesn’t have the one liners to fall back on.

 

[monkeybarry]

No you don’t
Not if you know your plan may have these challenges

And that's the key point right now.

My view is clear that I don't think the hoped for end result will materialise. I also hope I'm wrong.

For those that do think it'll happen - what are your breaking points? How low are you prepared to let it go to reach the upward curve?
Flirt with relegation and finish 15th?
Flirt will relegation and respond?
Get relegated and use it as a springboard?

Those are all possible if you look at the table.
Maybe the framing of the question should be "how do you see it panning out" between now and May?

Genuine question(s), asked without prejudice - I'm really interested to hear the breadth of people's thinking.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Dragu misses the header because he's trying to cover across quickly for the space that Spence has left behind. If Spence had gone and a midfielder had taken up his position at the back then that allows us more control. With Ange's system the full backs leave big gaps behind that are not covered. We then find ourselves with an overload.

He wasn’t very quick
That’s why he didn’t win it
He should have been quicker

 

[Bedfordspurs]

And that's the key point right now.

My view is clear that I don't think the hoped for end result will materialise. I also hope I'm wrong.

For those that do think it'll happen - what are your breaking points? How low are you prepared to let it go to reach the upward curve?
Flirt with relegation and finish 15th?
Flirt will relegation and respond?
Get relegated and use it as a springboard?

Those are all possible if you look at the table.
Maybe the framing of the question should be "how do you see it panning out" between now and May?

Genuine question(s), asked without prejudice - I'm really interested to hear the breadth of people's thinking.

We won’t flirt with relegation
Its a tycoon overreaction if people believe that
We will have some more bumps though
Ange has pinned everything imo on the cups

 

[monkeybarry]

Replace him Bergvall... I honestly don't care, personally if he doesn;t improve by the end of the Season, I would sell him.

The point is, that there was plenty of options and formations for us to use with the players we had available regarding stef's post... Rather than sticking with a formation that we don't have the players for.

So yeah, I agree with you with Maddison, but that wasn't what my post was about

I'm certainly not convinced by Dragusin either.
However, we need to remember he isn't an experienced CB either - he's only 22, with one full season behind and two half seasons.
Arguably, Archie Gray is more experienced!

 

[monkeybarry]

We won’t flirt with relegation
Its a tycoon overreaction if people believe that
We will have some more bumps though
Ange has pinned everything imo on the cups

That completely avoids my question.

And to write off the possibility of flirting with a relegation battle in naive. It's only 7 points down to 16th, just as it's 7 to 5th.
It could look like either in three games times.
Which is why I'm interested in how people think things will pan out.

 

[billyiddo]

We won’t flirt with relegation
Its a tycoon overreaction if people believe that
We will have some more bumps though
Ange has pinned everything imo on the cups

That's a nonsense

 

[Bedfordspurs]

That's a nonsense

That’s just my opinion
For him that’s what he is targeting

 

[billyiddo]

That’s just my opinion
For him that’s what he is targeting

There's nothing to suggest that's the case though

 

[Bedfordspurs]

That completely avoids my question.

And to write off the possibility of flirting with a relegation battle in naive. It's only 7 points down to 16th, just as it's 7 to 5th.
It could look like either in three games times.
Which is why I'm interested in how people think things will pan out.

You asked for an opinion
We will finish top 7
Maybe 5/6th
I think the exaggerated will level out of teams get palmers fit and others suffer some injuries
And I think Ange will focus on the cups particularly Europa next year

 

[Bedfordspurs]

There's nothing to suggest that's the case though

No
Hence why I said it’s just my opinion
And of course his toy hue in cheek come t I win something second season

 

[DubSpur]

Let's say we'd gone 4-5-1 today. Do you think we'd have won? Who does he pick that is fit that can play that way that still leaves us something on the bench?

It's about telling Porro that he's not a RWF and to sit. It's about telling Dragusin not to chase into midfield and leave huge holes in the defense behind you. It's definitely about telling them not to do both at the same time. We might still have lost, but it's more likely that we would lose by the odd goal instead of three goals. Doing that gives us a much better chance of getting a lucky draw or even a lucky win.

 

[billyiddo]

No
Hence why I said it’s just my opinion
And of course his toy hue in cheek come t I win something second season

I don't doubt that he's taking the cups seriously but to suggest he's prioritising them seems like a roundabout way to excuse general league form and just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I don't doubt that he's taking the cups seriously but to suggest he's prioritising them seems like a roundabout way to excuse general league form and just doesn't make sense to me.

No
I never said that
But I do believe he thinks he can win a cup with the team he has when more are fit
He wants ti win every game
That’s his expectation

 

[billyiddo]

No
I never said that
But I do believe he thinks he can win a cup with the team he has when more are fit
He wants ti win every game
That’s his expectation

What do you mean by 'pinned everything on the cups' then?

 

[monkeybarry]

You asked for an opinion
We will finish top 7
Maybe 5/6th
I think the exaggerated will level out of teams get palmers fit and others suffer some injuries
And I think Ange will focus on the cups particularly Europa next year

I'd be ok with that. I'd say that is about our level, and could create a good platform for further growth.
How do you see the next month or two going?
Do you expect an uptick in form soon?
What happens if we finish mid table? 8-13th - do we still press on with the philosophy?

I'm genuinely curious what you (and others) see that I can't.
But I'm comforted that the Goons were in a similar place a few years ago.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It's about telling Porro that he's not a RWF and to sit. It's about telling Dragusin not to chase into midfield and leave huge holes in the defense behind you. It's definitely about telling them not to do both at the same time. We might still have lost, but it's more likely that we would lose by the odd goal instead of three goals. Doing that gives us a much better chance of getting a lucky draw or even a lucky win.

Some of what you say is instinctive in players too
Dragu is still very very early in his career here and hasn’t started many games so for him making those calls may be a lack of experience
He doesn’t have VVD a beside him or even Gomez and Allison and TAA and Robertson… the CL winning defence ish
Porro is knackered and is trying but hasn’t got the energy to do what was asked today
We also know he brick against cross field passes and they doubled up on his side with Diaz and gakpo

 

[Bedfordspurs]

What do you mean by 'pinned everything on the cups' then?

His success this season
How he maintains progress
What else is there

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'd be ok with that. I'd say that is about our level, and could create a good platform for further growth.
How do you see the next month or two going?
Do you expect an uptick in form soon?
What happens if we finish mid table? 8-13th - do we still press on with the philosophy?

I'm genuinely curious what you (and others) see that I can't.
But I'm comforted that the Goons were in a similar place a few years ago.

Honestly
I wouldn’t be shocked with 2 wins in our next games or 2 defeats too
Pool in the league cup is gonna be nuts because we will be missing two players before the game starts due to suspension
Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home before that is bad timing as they look to have clicked and we still won’t have anyone back fit
I think we’re fudged but I said that before today
No team at any level is gonna maintain any firm or consistency playing every 4 days with no changes to the team and we don’t have available players to do that currently

 

[billyiddo]

His success this season
How he maintains progress
What else is there

That’s more a case of how he can salvage the season then - but given the tightness of the table a decent run of good form.can have us in the mix in the league again so it really shouldn't be a case of either/or