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***OMT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs Liverpool***

Bedfordspurs said:
Pool conceding from playing out at the back should be discussed
That no way for a decent side to play
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What is this argument? Where has this come from?

No one has ever said we shouldn't play out of the back, just that sometimes, the best option is to just clear your lines. Just like VdV did the other week, before getting injured again. One of the most beautiful things I have seen in recent weeks.

So a bricky snarky comment about posters regarding something that none of them have ever said.
 
I think today is a tough day for a Spurs fan. Not because we lost, because we were always favourites to lose.

Seeing an Xg of 4.6 vs 1.2 just emphasises the gaps between the following

Ange's aspirational system with his ideal squad
vs
Ange's aspirational system with his best current squad, all available
vs
Ange's aspirational system with his best current squad, but with this amount of fixtures in a season
vs
Ange's aspirational system with an injury ravaged squad running on fumes, and a reluctance to bring on young subs

You can see how we logically move up the stack if we hang around long enough. However, what none of us really know is whether this aspirational system is going to work even with the ideal playing squad conditions in the future.

I think Steff alluded to Ange tweaking it for a few weeks out of necessity. I probably wouldn't do that on the current tactical system as it could scramble some players brains. I would probably assign some training time to a completely different system e.g. a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. Something that is logical and practical and doesn't take too much player brain power. Something that you can switch to at half time, or perhaps in the second half of a game.

Poch actually did this with his 4-2-3-1 when he used to have Dier dropping in an Toby and Jan pushing wide. Instead he moved Dier to the right of Toby in a back 3, and went to something like a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 with some incredible results. Conte did it to Nuno's system and got results within a week or two. After Juande's 2 points from 8 games, Harry just put his 4-4-1-1 system in and turned things around quickly.

I'm always of the opinion that players like simple concepts, and football can be a very simple game. I also think it might disrupt some managers who will get complacent that they know Ange's system if we did try one of the familiar systems.
 
Muttley said:
I think today is a tough day for a Spurs fan. Not because we lost, because we were always favourites to lose.

Seeing an Xg of 4.6 vs 1.2 just emphasises the gaps between the following

Ange's aspirational system with his ideal squad
vs
Ange's aspirational system with his best current squad, all available
vs
Ange's aspirational system with his best current squad, but with this amount of fixtures in a season
vs
Ange's aspirational system with an injury ravaged squad running on fumes, and a reluctance to bring on young subs

You can see how we logically move up the stack if we hang around long enough. However, what none of us really know is whether this aspirational system is going to work even with the ideal playing squad conditions in the future.

I think Steff alluded to Ange tweaking it for a few weeks out of necessity. I probably wouldn't do that on the current tactical system as it could scramble some players brains. I would probably assign some training time to a completely different system e.g. a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. Something that is logical and practical and doesn't take too much player brain power. Something that you can switch to at half time, or perhaps in the second half of a game.

Poch actually did this with his 4-2-3-1 when he used to have Dier dropping in an Toby and Jan pushing wide. Instead he moved Dier to the right of Toby in a back 3, and went to something like a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 with some incredible results. Conte did it to Nuno's system and got results within a week or two. After Juande's 2 points from 8 games, Harry just put his 4-4-1-1 system in and turned things around quickly.

I'm always of the opinion that players like simple concepts, and football can be a very simple game. I also think it might disrupt some managers who will get complacent that they know Ange's system if we did try one of the familiar systems.
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What training time?
Players like it simple I agree
slot has come in and tweaked very little (people will say he has just to create the argument). But he has benefitted from a good run of starting fixtures combined with missing a single key player at a time at most. And add in he is clearly a great coach which is why we wanted him

I also think our players are 100% behind this set up
The goals we scored and the effort showed that to me
 
SkipRat said:
Replace him Bergvall... I honestly don't care, personally if he doesn;t improve by the end of the Season, I would sell him.

The point is, that there was plenty of options and formations for us to use with the players we had available regarding stef's post... Rather than sticking with a formation that we don't have the players for.

So yeah, I agree with you with Maddison, but that wasn't what my post was about
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Two teams without kulu show that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
What training time?
Players like it simple I agree
slot has come in and tweaked very little (people will say he has just to create the argument). But he has benefitted from a good run of starting fixtures combined with missing a single key player at a time at most. And add in he is clearly a great coach which is why we wanted him

I also think our players are 100% behind this set up
The goals we scored and the effort showed that to me
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Nobody can watch that today and not say that the bulk of the players aren't behind him.
There's a couple of the senior pros I have my doubts about, but in general they all look behind the manager.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I like him there
Gives us another dynamic
But we would need a left CB or course
Also doesn’t expose his physical weakness and lack of aerial ability
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Considering he is 6’4” it’s disappointing van de Ven is barely any better aerially than little Lisandro Martinez at ManUre.

Whilst his top speed might come in handy I’m not sure I’d want him trying to deal with tricky dribblers like Salah but maybe he’ll become savvy enough to develop into our new Vertonghen.
 
Mcfee said:
Well we’ve had 2 pragmatic managers very recently and it didn’t end well for them either. I admire Ange for sticking to his philosophy in an attempt to build. Yes it will take time if he’s allowed it. I don’t think for a second that we’ll get dragged into a relegation battle.
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I don’t think that will be enough for the board. The stadium (and their profits) needs European football.
 
glasgowspur said:
Two teams without kulu show that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Really?

But once again. That was not what my post was about. But seeing as I have had to say it twice now, you clearly don't understand simple concepts and ideas.

My post was about there being plenty of options and formations, with the players we had available today.

It's not a hard concept to understand unless you are mentally departed.
 
SteveAWOL said:
Considering he is 6’4” it’s disappointing van de Ven is barely any better aerially than little Lisandro Martinez at ManUre.

Whilst his top speed might come in handy I’m not sure I’d want him trying to deal with tricky dribblers like Salah but maybe he’ll become savvy enough to develop into our new Vertonghen.
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The guys got qualities but without that aerial ability he has a huge Achilles heel
 
Baleforce said:
Good work with the analogy. I get what you are saying completely.

But I think you are wrong.

I think our defensive plan is fundamentally flawed and we will continue to give up gobs of chances irrespective of who we have on the pitch.
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You don’t need to think it; it’s been happening for a year, even with our first XI on the pitch.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
What training time?
Players like it simple I agree
slot has come in and tweaked very little (people will say he has just to create the argument). But he has benefitted from a good run of starting fixtures combined with missing a single key player at a time at most. And add in he is clearly a great coach which is why we wanted him

I also think our players are 100% behind this set up
The goals we scored and the effort showed that to me
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There's not so much time, except for that Saudi Sportswashing Machine to NLD gap with the Tamworth game in the middle. There could be an opportunity there.

I guess the bigger question is whether 11 vs 11 is still a training technique that is used so much at this level? If it is, there's always an opportunity to put one side in one system and make them experience what it is like to play against our system, and vice versa. Then you get these opportunities.
 
SkipRat said:
Really?

But once again. That was not what my post was about. But seeing as I have had to say it twice now, you clearly don't understand simple concepts and ideas.

My post was about there being plenty of options and formations, with the players we had available today.

It's not a hard concept to understand unless you are mentally departed.
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Leaving out our best player to play kids is not a sensible option.
 
Muttley said:
There's not so much time, except for that Saudi Sportswashing Machine to NLD gap with the Tamworth game in the middle. There could be an opportunity there.

I guess the bigger question is whether 11 vs 11 is still a training technique that is used so much at this level? If it is, there's always an opportunity to put one side in one system and make them experience what it is like to play against our system, and vice versa. Then you get these opportunities.
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That’s when the league cup semi is, that gap
Clubs train with loads of variety but you need enough players able to execute the training too
 
Mikey10 said:
Which makes Ange another square peg in a round hole; our board won’t finance a M a City/Liverp ool level of squad.
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And neither should they, just as we shouldn't expect them to.
And knowing that it seems a little bit daft for us to be constantly challenging for titles and CL wins.
Liverpool, Chelsea, utd, arsenal and now even city have all had their spell in the wilderness, feels like some of our fans don't think we should.
 
glasgowspur said:
Leaving out our best player to play kids is not a sensible option.
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3rd time.

The point was we had plenty of options, to play plenty of formations.

You must be just being a d1ck now, as I can't believe some is so fecking stupid that they can't understand simple concepts.

And if you don't understand simple things like these, that they were just examples of formations we could playing with team we had available from the list stef supplied. Then the rest of whatever else you say is must be complete and utter bollox too.

Three times I have explained to you this... But no, who is actually put in the examples i supplied to highlight the fact that we could have played various teams and formations, with or without Kulu, Maddison, Porro, Reg, or whomever is more important to you than the actual point I was making.

You need to stop licking windows, it's clearly not good for you.
 
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glasgowspur said:
And neither should they, just as we shouldn't expect them to.
And knowing that it seems a little bit daft for us to be constantly challenging for titles and CL wins.
Liverpool, Chelsea, utd, arsenal and now even city have all had their spell in the wilderness, feels like some of our fans don't think we should.
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:tearsofjoy:

Sorry, but this is just laughable. The mess we are in, is not because we haven't spent money, it's that we have wasted most of of it on brick, and lots of cheap options and bargain buys, spending 60 million 4 players who are not good enough rather than 60 million on one player who is.

Of course, this was over previous years, and not necessarily this year. But it is going to take years to sort out.

However, it is perfectly okay expect one of the richest clubs in the world to be chasing for honours, European places, year in, year out, whether it is CL or EUFA, we are big enough to achieve this yearly.

If we can't afford to spend hundreds of millions, then we have to develop the best of the best, and spend wisely to fill the gaps and pay good wages to attract the best players.

Not blowing £165,000 a week in wages on the likes Werner. Every game the clubs rakes in 6 million on sales during games, more than enough to start paying high wages for better players, where we need them.

We absolutely can be in Europe every year, if the club wasn't run by a bunch of donkeys

It's the most infuriating thing about Spurs, is just how much potential is being wasted and squandered. And how so utterly mismanaged the football side of things has been for decades.
 
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