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***OMT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs Liverpool***

DeanoAustin said:
Porro is an awful defender. Lovely footballer but truly awful defender. A poor man’s Trent.

Spence needs to play right back. 2 or 3 times today, he defended Salah in a way I’ve never seen Porro do. Spence can defend and is good on the ball. Not as good as Porro but as a full package at right back, it’s Spence all day long for me.

That was one of my two takeaways from today. The other is that Gray needs a chance in midfield when Romero and VDV come back.
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I wonder if Porro might be better in midfield with Spence behind, before we signed him everyone said he couldn't defend. He had a good period for a few months but has dropped off. I'm not sure he's as good going forwards as he was last season either.
 
thfcsteff said:
Here was our available side today. It is the same as it was on Thursday, and virtually the same as it was last weekend too.

I keep hearing people like Jamie Carragher, and some here, going on about changing the style right now and being more 'pragmatic'...don't push the FBs high and sit in a mid to low block, attack on the counter.

Can anyone show me who we had available today that would've made that system work? Let alone in our squad?
Have people properly taken stock of the squad we're in the middle of building? With all it's 'future parts' and not much present tense immediacy? It's intent? How those players play? Pedro is not a great defender, so seeing him in a deeper sitting back four doesn't fill me with confidence. Anything inviting pressure onto these players right now is not a good fit for fatigue, let alone having to change the way we play after 18 months to try and snaffle a few points which such 'pragmatism' might still not help us achieve? WHERE are the reinforcements we can call upon to helpo us adjust to a more 'pragmatic' style of play? Does it really make sense -as the highest scorerrs in the league- to try and play a counter-attacking game when we're starting with Sonny and Deki?

Again, happy to have the discussion, but please note, this squad has been built for a style, and the manager has not been given reinforcements in key areas that he requested. BTW, Vicario would've save at least two of those goals today. We cannot go until even January 7th without getting a proper keeper in behind Vic...


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Spurs​

  • 20
    Fraser Forster

  • 23
    Pedro Porro

  • 6
    Radu Dragusin
  • 14
    Archie Gray
  • 24
    Djed Spence
  • 29
    Pape Sarr
  • 8
    Yves Bissouma
  • 21
    Dejan Kulusevski
  • 10
    James Maddison
  • 7
    Heung-Min Son
  • 19
    Dominic Solanke

Substitutes​

  • 40
    Brandon Austin
  • 3
    Sergio Reguilon
  • 13
    Iyenoma Udogie
  • 15
    Lucas Bergvall (s 58')
  • 16
    Timo Werner (s 82')
  • 22
    Brennan Johnson (s 58')
  • 42
    Will Lankshear
  • 48
    Alfie Dorrington
  • 64
    Callum Olusesi
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No one looks at that bench I swear
I said it for a joke the other day but we have players on the bench who are likely to have just started shaving properly
It’s nuts that is what we have to deal with
And you know what… I’m firm with it, if, IF… we address the senior gaps in the next 2 windows
I do think we will
But we will see
 
P.D. said:
So you didn't want us to play it safe till half time and wanted us to chase for 2-2?
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I want is to win the game
When are ALL teams most vulnerable
Just after they score
It’s not a Tottenham thing. It’s normal
It hapowns
If we had more experience in the pitch and possibly leadership we may not have seen it but I doubt it
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No one looks at that bench I swear
I said it for a joke the other day but we have players on the bench who are likely to have just started shaving properly
It’s nuts that is what we have to deal with
And you know what… I’m firm with it, if, IF… we address the senior gaps in the next 2 windows
I do think we will
But we will see
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We brought on Werner and Johnson; two brought in under Ange. One a seasoned professional, the other with plenty of experience at another club.
 
Mikey10 said:
We brought on Werner and Johnson; two brought in under Ange. One a seasoned professional, the other with plenty of experience at another club.
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Yep
2 players
To chase the game
United used 5 mid week to do the same thing
Polll changed 7 from mid week to get todays result
We can’t really do that currently because we’re missing at least 8 squads played and first team players too
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Yep
2 players
To chase the game
United used 5 mid week to do the same thing
Polll changed 7 from mid week to get todays result
We can’t really do that currently because we’re missing at least 8 squads played and first team players too
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So why didn’t we rest players on Thursday in a game that would result in zero points whatever the result?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I want is to win the game
When are ALL teams most vulnerable
Just after they score
It’s not a Tottenham thing. It’s normal
It hapowns
If we had more experience in the pitch and possibly leadership we may not have seen it but I doubt it
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But there's also game management to consider, in that case most people believe it's better to get to the break 2-1 down and regroup. Most teams would do that, I'm all for attacking but a game still has to be managed.
 
P.D. said:
But there's also game management to consider, in that case most people believe it's better to get to the break 2-1 down and regroup. Most teams would do that, I'm all for attacking but a game still has to be managed.
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I agree
I think Ange would agree
I think players made mistakes
 
Baleforce said:
You don’t put down a new carpet before you fix the hole in the roof.
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No
You don’t even buy carpet if you have a hole in the roof
But you also a have to understand why the hole is there in the first place
If it’s poor tiles… you replace the tiles and make it water tight
Then you add the carpet
We’re fixing the tiles still
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No
You don’t even buy carpet if you have a hole in the roof
But you also a have to understand why the hole is there in the first place
If it’s poor tiles… you replace the tiles and make it water tight
Then you add the carpet
We’re fixing the tiles still
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The framework is so badly designed the tiles will inevitably collapse.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Nah
The foundations are in place (our first 11)
The issue has been very tile we replace gets damaged by the wind
So we need more tiles before the carpet comes
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Good work with the analogy. I get what you are saying completely.

But I think you are wrong.

I think our defensive plan is fundamentally flawed and we will continue to give up gobs of chances irrespective of who we have on the pitch.
 
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