*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v AFC Bournemouth ***

[markysimmo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898843507982586144

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

"At 2-0 we had a mountain to climb. It was a chaotic game today and the boys showed perseverance, a real mentality. It would have been really easy at 2-0, with the atmosphere in the stadium, to let it slip away from us but they fought hard and got themselves back in the game.

"We added to the chaos a little bit, especially in the first half, just with careless passing and we allowed the game to played on terms Bournemouth like. We looked nervous and anxious, but he lads showed a positive mindset that’s been missing in games we’ve lost when they’ve petered out, turning single-goal defeats into draw."


Not sure how out of context it is really

I never get these situations.

AP has given his observation of the atmosphere in the stadium. Whether that implies it was edgy, tense, annoyed, frustrated or all of the above, it's true.

It's not a criticism of the fans just a factual observation. Does it make the situation harder for the players, probably, but Im sure Ange understands those feelings and knows thats how things role at football grounds.

 

[lurker of old]

Who knows, if we win next Thursday, perhaps today's recovery from 2 down will be seen as a turning point. Can't make Thursday, and based on my absence today, that could be a good omen....

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I never get these situations.

AP has given his observation of the atmosphere in the stadium. Whether that implies it was edgy, tense, annoyed, frustrated or all of the above, it's true.

It's not a criticism of the fans just a factual observation. Does it make the situation harder for the players, probably, but Im sure Ange understands those feelings and knows thats how things role at football grounds.

It wasn’t a great atmosphere
Could hear at least 5 people call Johnson a C€&t today instead of the normal 2 people

 

[Bullet]

Evanilson scored on 65, which means we had to score at least twice in 30 minutes to get something from the game.

We did.

On Thursday we need to score twice in 90 minutes. It is possible.

I know we will probably let them score 7 also, but it is possible.

I was pleased we held out for the first 5 seconds today, before Romero gifted them a golden opportunity. That was pure steel.

 

[Mikey10]

Evanilson scored on 65, which means we had to score at least twice in 30 minutes to get something from the game.

We did.

On Thursday we need to score twice in 90
minutes. It is possible.

I know we will probably let them score 7 also, but it is possible.

I was pleased we held out for the first 5 seconds today, before Romero gifted them a golden opportunity. That was pure steel.

I actually think we’ll get through on Thursday; AZ are sixth in the Eredivisie, so we’d be hard-pressed not to beat them over two legs. It’s the round after that I reckon we’ll go.

 

[SteveAWOL]

A point v a top 8 team not to be sniffed at sadly

For a team which had CL aspirations at the start of this season it’s pretty damning that we’ve only picked up 8 points against top half sides at this stage of the campaign.

Need our returning stars to really pull up some trees during the run-in to show that those first 10 games weren’t just lightning in a bottle.

Liverpool 3-6 TBC
ARSEnal 0-1 1-2
Forest TBC 0-1
€helsea 3-4 TBC
Man €iteh 0-1 3-0
Brighton TBC 2-3
Aston Villa 4-1 TBC
B’mouth 2-2 0-1
Barcodes 1-2 1-2
Fulham TBC 1-1

 

[thfcsteff]

I actually think we’ll get through on Thursday; AZ are sixth in the Eredivisie, so we’d be hard-pressed not to beat them over two legs. It’s the round after that I reckon we’ll go.

Over 180+ minutes we have scored once home and away against them, from the spot. I am not especially optimistic unless seniors step up and play with the courage of Bergvall...

 

[DeanoAustin]

ive been guilty of that myself cos I know ENIC aren't going anywhere as long as THFC + stadium remain a cash cow. All i can hope & pray for is that Danny boy finally realises that bringing in a top class manager means you have to give him full control over the playing staff, even if that means breaking the wage structure.

This is a serious question because my understanding is that whatever we make from the stadium goes back into the club. And that includes transfers and wages which don’t always add value to the club. How is the stadium a cash cow for ENIC? It obviously adds value but it did that on day 1 just by being built and having additional revenue streams. You make it sound like Levy and ENIC are taking money from the club that the stadium generates.

I never get these situations.

AP has given his observation of the atmosphere in the stadium. Whether that implies it was edgy, tense, annoyed, frustrated or all of the above, it's true.

It's not a criticism of the fans just a factual observation. Does it make the situation harder for the players, probably, but Im sure Ange understands those feelings and knows thats how things role at football grounds.

That’s fair comment but I think as a coach or player, you have to be very aware that whatever you say becomes a soundbite and gets taken out of context. When I read the quote, I didn’t take it as a dig but it can be interpreted that way. These lads get media training not to walk into that trap but Ange does repeatedly. Sometimes it’s heat of the moment stuff, sometimes he’s probably sending a message. Hard to know where that line exists.

When Ange was appointed, the thing that impressed me most was how he united the club and fan base. Obviously results play a big part in that but it seemed that he got us and we got him. It feels a bit like that’s broken. At times, I feel like he’s tinkled off at our crowd for unrealistic expectations or behaving contrary to what he believes. The City game last year seems like a turning point for that. He got in an argument with a fan that night and twice this season and some of his comments have felt a little like the relationship isn’t as close as it was in those early days. As I say, obviously results are a big part of that but not the only part IMO.

 

[harr1984]

I never get these situations.

AP has given his observation of the atmosphere in the stadium. Whether that implies it was edgy, tense, annoyed, frustrated or all of the above, it's true.

It's not a criticism of the fans just a factual observation. Does it make the situation harder for the players, probably, but Im sure Ange understands those feelings and knows thats how things role at football grounds.

Exactly what I was going to post, but quite frankly couldn't be bothered - he alludes to the atmosphere being brick, which it was. He doesn't blame the fans or even ask them to be better.

But yesterday was exactly what I was alluding to with our support - there is always an undercurrent in the atmosphere which precedes ther Ange era, you get the feeling some 'supporters' are thirsty for a player or the team in general to fudge up so they can start whinging. Then there are people getting at Vicario every time he gets the ball - how is that going to help anything?

 

[DaveT316]

Over 180+ minutes we have scored once home and away against them, from the spot. I am not especially optimistic unless seniors step up and play with the courage of Bergvall...

It’s not just courage, it’s discipline. I think that’s the word I’ve been looking for. People like Bentancur, Bissouma, Maddison. They’re playing with absolutely none of this, completely reckless and like they’re playing for themselves to absolve themselves of this situation, which is making things worse.

And I hope the ones lacking courage - Johnson and Son (and obviously Werner) - are phased out next season too.

 

[El Dante]

It’s not just courage, it’s discipline. I think that’s the word I’ve been looking for. People like Bentancur, Bissouma, Maddison. They’re playing with absolutely none of this, completely reckless and like they’re playing for themselves to absolve themselves of this situation, which is making things worse.

And I hope the ones lacking courage - Johnson and Son (and obviously Werner) - are phased out next season too.

It’s why we need a midfield leader in there. Someone that can set the tone and inspire others. But who?

 

[Legohamster]

Exactly what I was going to post, but quite frankly couldn't be bothered - he alludes to the atmosphere being brick, which it was. He doesn't blame the fans or even ask them to be better.

But yesterday was exactly what I was alluding to with our support - there is always an undercurrent in the atmosphere which precedes ther Ange era, you get the feeling some 'supporters' are thirsty for a player or the team in general to fudge up so they can start whinging. Then there are people getting at Vicario every time he gets the ball - how is that going to help anything?

He's asked them to be better for Thursday in a later interview

 

[Mikey10]

He's asked them to be better for Thursday in a later interview

It was more of his passive/aggressive nonsense: “I can’t direct people in what to do but…”.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

ive been guilty of that myself cos I know ENIC aren't going anywhere as long as THFC + stadium remain a cash cow. All i can hope & pray for is that Danny boy finally realises that bringing in a top class manager means you have to give him full control over the playing staff, even if that means breaking the wage structure.

I disagree. That’s what Munn and Lange are in charge of. Of course the manager has input and can make suggestions and should be involved in the decision making process but a manager should not have the sole right to decide to break our wage structure.

 

[Bishop]

I know that.
But they were massively lucky to grab a point at MNU.
That's the whole point of my post.

Individual poor games can happen. No team is going to win every match or even play well in every game but we are consistently poor. It's not a one off, it's not an odd occurrence this is actually what we are.

For a team which had CL aspirations at the start of this season it’s pretty damning that we’ve only picked up 8 points against top half sides at this stage of the campaign.

Need our returning stars to really pull up some trees during the run-in to show that those first 10 games weren’t just lightning in a bottle.

Liverpool 3-6 TBC
ARSEnal 0-1 1-2
Forest TBC 0-1
€helsea 3-4 TBC
Man €iteh 0-1 3-0
Brighton TBC 2-3
Aston Villa 4-1 TBC
B’mouth 2-2 0-1
Barcodes 1-2 1-2
Fulham TBC 1-1

As I've said many times the only decent team we have beaten that wasn't in crisis this season is Villa. Put us on the pitch with anyone half decent and we lose. That's the concern, it supports the view that Ange is regularly tactically outmatched and out classed.

 

[thfcsteff]

It’s not just courage, it’s discipline. I think that’s the word I’ve been looking for. People like Bentancur, Bissouma, Maddison. They’re playing with absolutely none of this, completely reckless and like they’re playing for themselves to absolve themselves of this situation, which is making things worse.

And I hope the ones lacking courage - Johnson and Son (and obviously Werner) - are phased out next season too.

A great point.

 

[Legohamster]

Individual poor games can happen. No team is going to win every match or even play well in every game but we are consistently poor. It's not a one off, it's not an odd occurrence this is actually what we are.


As I've said many times the only decent team we have beaten that wasn't in crisis this season is Villa. Put us on the pitch with anyone half decent and we lose. That's the concern, it supports the view that Ange is regularly tactically outmatched and out classed.

Wasn't it much the same last season? We didn't beat anyone decent / in crisis other than Villa away?

 

[DaveT316]

A great point.

I could add Romero to the discipline list, possibly Porro too. When you factor in it’s basically more than half of the first team, we have a big problem.

To replace this experience with ‘better’ experience - we can’t just buy up more youth - will cost big bucks, which we likely won’t [be able to] spend.

The oven-made likes of Guehi, Eze, Wharton I’m talking about. Maybe I should just start supporting Palace!

 

[Muttley]

I could add Romero to the discipline list, possibly Porro too. When you factor in it’s basically more than half of the first team, we have a big problem.

To replace this experience with ‘better’ experience - we can’t just buy up more youth - will cost big bucks, which we likely won’t [be able to] spend.

The oven-made likes of Guehi, Eze, Wharton I’m talking about. Maybe I should just start supporting Palace!

I think we have to define discipline though.

This feels like a little analogous to the fans knowing the laws of the games but VAR not enforcing them and therefore seeing things that just ain't right. In this case it is players not doing what fans expect them to do because of the tactical system of the manager.

Discipline to me is defined as playing to the tactical system that a manager has issued the players. I'm guessing that is what players aren't doing, but I think there is some naivety that even if they did, Ange's system is flawed anyway. I also think it is an extremely complex system as you get to play with loads of freedom......and then you obviously don't when it goes wrong. You get bashed for it.

I think you'll find we have a lot of players heads that are completely scrambled in this phase of the journey under Ange.