Next Spurs Manager

[Gutter Boy]

But aren't you highly critical of the decision to sack AVB? Baldini was likely the prime mover on that, moreso than even Levy I imagine. If Baldini had said to Levy: "I can see what AVB is trying to do, I've seen his chalkboards, I've seen the telemetry on player fitness...the whole thing will work in time" then I very seriously doubt Levy would have moved unilaterally.

You can't have it both ways and say Baldini is a shrewd football man and then hammer the sacking of AVB.

Baldini and AVB have been mates/trying to work together for years. I can't imagine he would have undermined him. Blimey, his appointment was the key thing that stopped AVB going to PSV in the summer.

IMO its more likely that Baldini wasn't established enough in his own position yet to be able to fight Levy (or the Wormtounge faction).

If Baldini had initiated this I'm sure he would have had a replacement lined up. This cluelessness and desperate flirting all over Europe has all the hallmarks of a Levy transfer deadline day panic.

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Tottenham: Ex-Man Utd assistant Carlos Queiroz keen on Spurs job

By Mani Djazmi BBC World Football

Former Manchester United assistant boss Carlos Queiroz says he is interested in becoming the next manager of Tottenham.

The Premier League club are looking for a new man at the top following Monday's sacking of Andre Villas-Boas.

Fellow Portuguese Queiroz, 60, is now in charge of Iran, who have qualified for next year's World Cup in Brazil.

Asked whether he was interested in the Spurs job, he said: "Absolutely. Tottenham is a club I really appreciate a lot and I have great admiration."

In an interview with BBC World Football, Queiroz revealed he had had "some private connections in the past" with Spurs owner Daniel Levy.

He also said he wanted to return to the Premier League after two spells as Sir Alex Ferguson's number two at Old Trafford, first from 2002-2003 and then from 2004-2008.

"One of my coaching dreams is to get back to English football," said the former Real Madrid, Portugal and South Africa coach.

"I was very happy in Manchester. It was the most happy and outstanding football period of my entire career."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25456338

 

[the dza]

I think Baldini might be concerned to protect his expensive signings from the damage (even a short) a Sherwood reign would do to them. At least you know AVB would have eventually introduced Lamela and Eriksen ahead of Townsend and Siggy, but that's never going to happen now.

Or maybe Baldini might look to loan our technical players out in January to shelter them out of the way?

Yeah, AVB managed Lamela brilliantly didn't he? Didn't bother to start him when his confidence was high (after his game against Sheriff in the Europa) and then decided to give him his first league start away to Emirates Marketing Project, the toughest game you could get....and proceeds to play him on the left, when we paid £30m based on his performances on the right.

IMO , Baldini would have had as much to do with AVB's sacking as Levy. You don't think he's gonna say "oh yeah, the players I brought in are sh1t, made a right balls up. AVB is still your man though, Daniel." More likely, he'd have said that there's nowt wrong with the players, it's the ginger fella who's not getting the best from them.

If Baldini's choices of replacement aren't available 'til the summer, I suspect he would have no problem with Sherwood as the interim boss. If Sherwood does well, then Levy would give him the gig and frankly, he'd have earnt it. If he doesn't, then it's full steam ahead to Baldini's choice.

As long as the club do well on the pitch, I couldn't care less how "thick" the manager is.

 

[Rossi22]

This whole setup is doomed to failure. I don't see how so many people at Spurs have a say in transfers, they may as well put gg in charge. So we hire FdB, he wants player X, Baldini wants player Y, Sherwood says player X is better than player Y but player Z would be even better, Levy says they're all too expensive and signs Chadli instead. Baldini approves his choice, Sherwood is unsure, FdB is ****ed off, Spurs play ****, FdB gets sacked, Sherwood takes over, Sherwood drops players A, B, C and D as he prefers players E, F, G and H ... A, B, C and D hand in transfer requests, Levy says no and tells Tim to play them instead, they play but Tim doesn't believe in them, Spurs lose, he gets demoted, Baldini tells Levy to hire manager I, J or K, none of them want to know, Sherwood suggests manager L, Levy hires him, Baldini doesn't approve so he tells Levy to sign a bunch of players who he secretly feels are **** in January, we sign them, they play like ****, Spurs play like **** and manager L is fired.

And repeat.

 

[Huddy]

I wonder how many of our summer signings considered working with AVB a positive first before considering the club. We need a well respected replacement someone for the players to look up to and be motivated by and managers like Clarke, Mackay or Sherwood I fear would not be able to get the most from the squad. If Levy goes interim a club legend like Hoddle may work at least he has experience and will have respect as a former player of considerable talent, which allows us to bring in someone like RDB in the summer.

 

[chancer]

Baldini and AVB have been mates/trying to work together for years. I can't imagine he would have undermined him. Blimey, his appointment was the key thing that stopped AVB going to PSV in the summer.

IMO its more likely that Baldini wasn't established enough in his own position yet to be able to fight Levy (or the Wormtounge faction).

If Baldini had initiated this I'm sure he would have had a replacement lined up. This cluelessness and desperate flirting all over Europe has all the hallmarks of a Levy transfer deadline day panic.

Sorry GB, none of that makes sense.

You are trying to peddle a notion that Levy acted completely on his own in sacking AVB, with poor Franco cowering in the corner. That I find 100% impossible to believe. Baldini is the #1 football man at the club, and as I said elsewhere if he went to Levy and explained AVB's formations, chalkboards, fitness regime and all that technical stuff to him and assured Levy there was a plan in place that would work, there is absolutely no way in hell Levy would have sacked AVB. None, zero, zilch, nada.

No, Baldini was as much, or more, a part of AVB's sacking as Levy was. He had a very strong power of veto but chose not to use it.

You've also just said thank GHod Baldini is in there pushing for de Boer, implying that Levy wouldn't want de Boer. That is clear and obvious nonsense since a) We approached de Boer (!) and b) Any idiot can see that de Boer would be a great choice, so to assume Levy is the only person on the planet who'd prefer Sherwood makes absolutely no sense.

With respect, a wonky conspiracy theory is all you have here.

 

[SUIYHA]

You know what would be really good?

If the new manager was Baldini's boss. Not the other way around. Manager would get the final say on all transfers, manager can sack Baldini if he wants to.

Ensures Baldini can work his magic in scouting and charming new recruits to come here, without the manager ever feeling like he is being undermined by players he doesn't want being thrown on him.

 

[Gutter Boy]

This whole setup is doomed to failure. I don't see how so many people at Spurs have a say in transfers, they may as well put gg in charge. So we hire FdB, he wants player X, Baldini wants player Y, Sherwood says player X is better than player Y but player Z would be even better, Levy says they're all too expensive and signs Chadli instead. Baldini approves his choice, Sherwood is unsure, FdB is ****ed off, Spurs play ****, FdB gets sacked, Sherwood takes over, Sherwood drops players A, B, C and D as he prefers players E, F, G and H ... A, B, C and D hand in transfer requests, Levy says no and tells Tim to play them instead, they play but Tim doesn't believe in them, Spurs lose, he gets demoted, Baldini tells Levy to hire manager I, J or K, none of them want to know, Sherwood suggests manager L, Levy hires him, Baldini doesn't approve so he tells Levy to sign a bunch of players who he secretly feels are **** in January, we sign them, they play like ****, Spurs play like **** and manager L is fired.

And repeat.

I do think a coach + DoF is the best approach. Let the coach concentrate on the first team and let the DoF run everything else football-related (transfers, academy, scouting, medical etc). It's too big a job for one man; and the alternative is a non-footballing DoF (i.e. Levy).

I think what is wrong with our club is the poisonous other influences - that we've got people pulling in 4 different footballing directions.

The remedy is for Levy to back off a bit and concentrate on building the stadium, to purge Sherwood and his cronies from the club, and let Baldini get on and appoint his choice of coach.

 

[Rorschach]

Wasn't there some talk of Baldini not being impressed with what went on at the training ground. And maybe Lewis had his spoke too. We'll just have to wait for his next book to find out the truth - I'm Special Too Two.

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Oh dear.....

Frank de Boer: Why I had to say no to Spurs


Staying put: Frank de Boer says he wants to carry on at Ajax

Published: 20 December 2013
Updated: 12:17, 20 December 2013

Frank de Boer said today he will not join Tottenham because he has unfinished business at Ajax.

Standard Sport reported yesterday that De Boer had turned down an approach from Spurs technical director Franco Baldini to succeed the sacked Andre Villas-Boas.

De Boer signed a new four-year deal in the summer and said today he is keen to build on his impressive work at the Dutch club.

“I am very satisfied with Ajax and I am not ready to leave yet,” said the 43-year-old. “Spurs are not a club who can currently take me on. I have no doubt they are a great club, that’s for sure.

“[The interest] means I’m good at my job. For the rest I cannot do too much about. I’m very happy here and just getting started with Ajax.”

Before De Boer’s appointment in 2010, Ajax had gone six years without the title but they have been crowned champions for the last three seasons and are second in the Eredivisie.

Public confirmation that De Boer is not prepared to quit Ajax mid-season is a blow to Spurs, who have placed Tim Sherwood in temporary charge.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/frank-de-boer-why-i-had-to-say-no-to-spurs-9018087.html

 

[The Portugeezer]

Should have never sacked AVB. There are no viable replacements lined up. Once again this is just amateurish by Spurs.

 

[Sandman]

We've got absolutely nothing to offer Hiddink.

Also, just because they are Dutch, they are from very different traditions. FDB is Ajax and Barcelona, whereas Hiddink is PSV and Madrid.

If we want someone who isn't too busy at the moment who'd be ideal to establish a platform for FDB, then his mentor Johan Cruyff might be worth sounding out?

I dont know why you feel that. He has something left to prove in England, he is currently not working so im pretty sure he would not mind earning some more money and also with an incentive laid contract he could still win a trophy for us. When i likened the philosophy of Hiddink and De boer it was in the fact that the Dutch tradition is to have played who can play in all positions, Hiddink tends to lend a formation to the players he has but he is all about a smooth attacking style with good passing. Although De beor tends to stick to a 4-3-3 some people compare it to a 3-7 in the fact that he wants his teams to move in fluid movement in that the front 7 attack and defend together. This is also the basic form of what Hiddink wants even though he will play any formation to get that going.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Sorry GB, none of that makes sense.

You are trying to peddle a notion that Levy acted completely on his own in sacking AVB, with poor Franco cowering in the corner. That I find 100% impossible to believe. Baldini is the #1 football man at the club, and as I said elsewhere if he went to Levy and explained AVB's formations, chalkboards, fitness regime and all that technical stuff to him and assured Levy there was a plan in place that would work, there is absolutely no way in hell Levy would have sacked AVB. None, zero, zilch, nada.

No, Baldini was as much, or more, a part of AVB's sacking as Levy was. He had a very strong power of veto but chose not to use it.

You've also just said thank GHod Baldini is in there pushing for de Boer, implying that Levy wouldn't want de Boer. That is clear and obvious nonsense since a) We approached de Boer (!) and b) Any idiot can see that de Boer would be a great choice, so to assume Levy is the only person on the planet who'd prefer Sherwood makes absolutely no sense.

With respect, a wonky conspiracy theory is all you have here.

I don't think it was anything to do with being unsure of AVB's tactics or preparation, and more to do with differences of opinion in terms of how objectives should be measured and what the strategy overall should be. The reason AVB was apparently glad it was over has to be because he was fed up with working with Levy et al. As you say, the fact that he wasn't immediately sacked following the game suggests that they wanted AVB to remain as long as he was contrite and bought into the objectives/plan the board was setting. AVB probably said '**** off' and that was that.

Also, the fact that he wasn't sacked immediately after Liverpool is likely because of Balidini's influence in backing AVB up to Levy. I reckon AVB and Baldini enjoyed working together but it was AVB's relationship with Levy that lead to his removal from the club.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Oh dear.....

Frank de Boer: Why I had to say no to Spurs

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Staying put: Frank de Boer says he wants to carry on at Ajax

Published: 20 December 2013
Updated: 12:17, 20 December 2013

Frank de Boer said today he will not join Tottenham because he has unfinished business at Ajax.

Standard Sport reported yesterday that De Boer had turned down an approach from Spurs technical director Franco Baldini to succeed the sacked Andre Villas-Boas.

De Boer signed a new four-year deal in the summer and said today he is keen to build on his impressive work at the Dutch club.

“I am very satisfied with Ajax and I am not ready to leave yet,” said the 43-year-old. “Spurs are not a club who can currently take me on. I have no doubt they are a great club, that’s for sure.

“[The interest] means I’m good at my job. For the rest I cannot do too much about. I’m very happy here and just getting started with Ajax.”

Before De Boer’s appointment in 2010, Ajax had gone six years without the title but they have been crowned champions for the last three seasons and are second in the Eredivisie.

Public confirmation that De Boer is not prepared to quit Ajax mid-season is a blow to Spurs, who have placed Tim Sherwood in temporary charge.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/frank-de-boer-why-i-had-to-say-no-to-spurs-9018087.html

Well done Levy et al :ross:

 

[Nezza]

I read that Hiddink has already said no

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Yep, seems as Levy was a bit over confident after previous sackings.

Right, f@ck this sh!t I'm going Xmas shopping, cannot be bothered looking for good news on our search when so far there hasn't been and might not be for quite a while.

It is Christmas after all, which might be on reason why most managers phones are not answering our call.

In Sherwood we trust.......

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Yep, seems as Levy was a bit over confident after previous sackings.

Right, f@ck this sh!t I'm going Xmas shopping, cannot be bothered looking for good news on our search when so far there hasn't been and might not be for quite a while.

It is Christmas after all, which might be on reason why most managers phones are not answering our call.

In Sherwood we trust.......

If you read Jason Burt on Twitter he thinks it is going to be Sherwood and that the plan is Sherwood. I wouldn't be surprised if all this vague posturing around Europe is just to placate fans into thinking they are trying their best, and once they get rejected by all the obvious choices they will turn to Sherwood pleading they had no other choice. Sherwood will then do ok for the rest of the season and the club will be able to say they want him to continue the good work he has started.

 

[braineclipse]

Wait, are people seriously in favour of Steve Clarke?

You hate on Technical Tim because of a lack of experience, but would love Steve Clarke who managed West Brom for all of 50 games? Okay.

Steve Clarke isn't top of my wishlist, but he seems like a much better option than Sherwood.

- 50 games PL manager experience is 49 games more than Sherwood.

- Look at his wiki page for some of his experience as an assistant. An actual assistant under Mourinho at Chelsea, as well as being an assistant under Zola at West Ham and Daglish at Liverpool. When he was signed for WBA the question being asked was "can this very good assistant manager make the step up and become a good manager himself?"

Sherwood on the other hand has experience as a technical director and working with youth teams. In terms of experience there's a massive difference between the two.

 

[braineclipse]

If you read Jason Burt on Twitter he thinks it is going to be Sherwood and that the plan is Sherwood. I wouldn't be surprised if all this vague posturing around Europe is just to placate fans into thinking they are trying their best, and once they get rejected by all the obvious choices they will turn to Sherwood pleading they had no other choice. Sherwood will then do ok for the rest of the season and the club will be able to say they want him to continue the good work he has started.

You're saying that Levy is making it look like he doesn't rate Sherwood less than he actually rates him and making it look like he's ending up with reluctantly giving the job to Sherwood after failing to secure his top targets ending up with a backup plan to sort out the club's future after sacking AVB?

If this is the case I think Levy needs to hire a new conspirator for his "fool the fans schemes". Cause doing this makes him look less than competent and won't instill any trust in Sherwood.

 

[Denmark Spur]

Tottenham: Ex-Man Utd assistant Carlos Queiroz keen on Spurs job
By Mani Djazmi BBC World Football

Former Manchester United assistant boss Carlos Queiroz says he is interested in becoming the next manager of Tottenham.

The Premier League club are looking for a new man at the top following Monday's sacking of Andre Villas-Boas.

Fellow Portuguese Queiroz, 60, is now in charge of Iran, who have qualified for next year's World Cup in Brazil.

Asked whether he was interested in the Spurs job, he said: "Absolutely. Tottenham is a club I really appreciate a lot and I have great admiration."

In an interview with BBC World Football, Queiroz revealed he had had "some private connections in the past" with Spurs owner Daniel Levy.

He also said he wanted to return to the Premier League after two spells as Sir Alex Ferguson's number two at Old Trafford, first from 2002-2003 and then from 2004-2008.

"One of my coaching dreams is to get back to English football," said the former Real Madrid, Portugal and South Africa coach.

"I was very happy in Manchester. It was the most happy and outstanding football period of my entire career."