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but again wether it’s a lack of ambition, a lack of ability or a lack of means or more likely a combination of the three, doesn’t it still point to the same conclusion, ENIC are not good enough to take this club forward
I don’t know anyone who thinks they are
But I don’t know the alternative to back it
In a one horse race… that horse wins
 
And in my opinion and I think most peoples opinions, our peers when ENIC took over would be similar sized clubs in similar positions in the league. Not the top teams and not those backed by oil money. Arsenal And Chelsea might be viewed as our peers now (fudge off with WHam as our peers), but that is due to the progress under ENIC.

The point, you asked "How do you think the approach from ENIC will lead us to success on the pitch", the answer was given.
i won’t fudge off with west ham as our peers thank you very much. That they are brick and i hate them doesn’t detract from the fact they are a London based club, with a comparable (although smaller demographic ) than ours. Your point in time exercise on the provincial clubs you cited is one i don’t agree with.

and if you don’t think arsenal and chelsea wernt our peers than you’re a very different type of spurs fan to me and most people i know.

You didn’t really give an answer, you put a factually incorrect statement about Arsenal pre-ENIC and then something about how FFP ( i’m assuming you mean PSR) might hopefully change things otherwise we take a bit of a punt on young players and maybe getting a decent manager. Hardly something that can be tasked as a coherent strategy
 
i won’t fudge off with west ham as our peers thank you very much. That they are brick and i hate them doesn’t detract from the fact they are a London based club, with a comparable (although smaller demographic ) than ours. Your point in time exercise on the provincial clubs you cited is one i don’t agree with.

and if you don’t think arsenal and chelsea wernt our peers than you’re a very different type of spurs fan to me and most people i know.

You didn’t really give an answer, you put a factually incorrect statement about Arsenal pre-ENIC and then something about how FFP ( i’m assuming you mean PSR) might hopefully change things otherwise we take a bit of a punt on young players and maybe getting a decent manager. Hardly something that can be tasked as a coherent strategy
Again, being based in London doesn't make them our peers.

I didn't give an answer to what? And was factually incorrect about Arsenal pre-ENIC? You're trying to say they weren't a top club pre-ENIC?
FFP is still in Europe, so either FFP and/or PSR. How is buying the top young talent and developing it not a coherent strategy? It's not a punt. There's plenty of clubs that have run successfully on that model for decades.
 
i won’t fudge off with west ham as our peers thank you very much. That they are brick and i hate them doesn’t detract from the fact they are a London based club, with a comparable (although smaller demographic ) than ours. Your point in time exercise on the provincial clubs you cited is one i don’t agree with.

and if you don’t think arsenal and chelsea wernt our peers than you’re a very different type of spurs fan to me and most people i know.

You didn’t really give an answer, you put a factually incorrect statement about Arsenal pre-ENIC and then something about how FFP ( i’m assuming you mean PSR) might hopefully change things otherwise we take a bit of a punt on young players and maybe getting a decent manager. Hardly something that can be tasked as a coherent strategy
We're trying to compete with clubs with bigger budgets than us. We can't outspend them to get to the top.

We should try to be smarter in the transfer market with our here and now signings. That can work somewhat. I think we're doing a decent job there now.

But a vital part of our approach has to be focusing on young players to develop. Having quite players that end up being worth way more than we paid for them is the only way to assemble a squad good enough to compete at a higher level. Along with an academy capable of producing good enough players. To me we're in a good place with those things right now, but won't see the real benefit quite yet.

Of course getting managerial appointments right is also really important.
 
I think you're confusing peers with local rivals
Not really, although rivalry plays a art.

When you consider a peer group, factors like location, fan demographic, stadium etc all play a part.

The three clubs with a set of factors comparable to us are those three, they are also rivals ( which also plays a part as we as fans would compare our performance to those three far more than other clubs)
 
Again, being based in London doesn't make them our peers.

I didn't give an answer to what? And was factually incorrect about Arsenal pre-ENIC? You're trying to say they weren't a top club pre-ENIC?
FFP is still in Europe, so either FFP and/or PSR. How is buying the top young talent and developing it not a coherent strategy? It's not a punt. There's plenty of clubs that have run successfully on that model for decades.
then we will have to disageee, these are the three clubs who have a comparable base to ours not the provincial ones you mentioned, if you disagree fair enough.

i never said Arsenal wernt successful pre-ENIC, you said they had fallen back from where they were pre ENIC but i pointed out during ENIC’s reign they won two titles, a number of fa cups and apart from that period post wenger, have been champions league regulars. If you think that’s falling back….


I’d also disageee we are buying the top young talent, we are buying young talent and that’s started these past few seasons, our previous strstegy was get a chequebook manager in and hope we some fluke it with top manager plus kane and son. ENIC stumble upon model after model but the end remains the same. Apart from those years under Poch and to a lesser extent Harry, it’s been much of a muchness of meh
 
We're trying to compete with clubs with bigger budgets than us. We can't outspend them to get to the top.

We should try to be smarter in the transfer market with our here and now signings. That can work somewhat. I think we're doing a decent job there now.

But a vital part of our approach has to be focusing on young players to develop. Having quite players that end up being worth way more than we paid for them is the only way to assemble a squad good enough to compete at a higher level. Along with an academy capable of producing good enough players. To me we're in a good place with those things right now, but won't see the real benefit quite yet.

Of course getting managerial appointments right is also really
Our fans have the ambition to compete, our owners don’t
 
then we will have to disageee, these are the three clubs who have a comparable base to ours not the provincial ones you mentioned, if you disagree fair enough.

i never said Arsenal wernt successful pre-ENIC, you said they had fallen back from where they were pre ENIC but i pointed out during ENIC’s reign they won two titles, a number of fa cups and apart from that period post wenger, have been champions league regulars. If you think that’s falling back….


I’d also disageee we are buying the top young talent, we are buying young talent and that’s started these past few seasons, our previous strstegy was get a chequebook manager in and hope we some fluke it with top manager plus kane and son. ENIC stumble upon model after model but the end remains the same. Apart from those years under Poch and to a lesser extent Harry, it’s been much of a muchness of meh
Arsenal were every season for over a decade fighting for the league up until the last time they won it. Since then they have competed for it a couple of times. If you think that is not falling back...

Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Kinsky, Yang, Phillips, Johnson, VdV, Udogie, Spence, Porro, Sarr, Romero, Vuskovic, and I'm sure there are more in the last couple of years that I've missed, these aren't top young talent that are/were highly rated?
I guess we disagree about more than just who our peers are.
 
Arsenal were every season for over a decade fighting for the league up until the last time they won it. Since then they have competed for it a couple of times. If you think that is not falling back...

Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Kinsky, Yang, Phillips, Johnson, VdV, Udogie, Spence, Porro, Sarr, Romero, Vuskovic, and I'm sure there are more in the last couple of years that I've missed, these aren't top young talent that are/were highly rated?
I guess we disagree about more than just who our peers are.


How many of those players you have mentioned would get into the Arsenal first team?

I'm very interested to hear your answer on this one.
 
How many of those players you have mentioned would get into the Arsenal first team?

I'm very interested to hear your answer on this one.
VdV or Romero over Gabriel, although he has improved a lot in last couple of seasons. Possibly Kulu in CM, depending on how they set up. They've issues at full back, so case could be made for our FBs.
The rest listed are mostly still kids.
 
Not really, although rivalry plays a art.

When you consider a peer group, factors like location, fan demographic, stadium etc all play a part.

The three clubs with a set of factors comparable to us are those three, they are also rivals ( which also plays a part as we as fans would compare our performance to those three far more than other clubs)

Not for me, anything that puts tottenham & Arsenal in the same peer group as West Ham is not really worth much attention.

The tiers of English football imv were Liverpool & United, the two genuine elite level clubs, then Arsenal kinda on their own - not as big as those two but bigger than the group we are in which is Everton Tottenham Villa Leeds Saudi Sportswashing Machine pre money Emirates Marketing Project, then you have your Wolves Sheffields Forest pre money Chelsea, then below that your Blackburns Crystal Palace and West Hams.

Since ENIC came in both Chelsea & City were obviously bought out and due to wealth sit alongside Liverpool & United in the elite category.
 
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