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DubSpur said:
Arsenal were every season for over a decade fighting for the league up until the last time they won it. Since then they have competed for it a couple of times. If you think that is not falling back...

Bergvall, Gray, Odobert, Kinsky, Yang, Phillips, Johnson, VdV, Udogie, Spence, Porro, Sarr, Romero, Vuskovic, and I'm sure there are more in the last couple of years that I've missed, these aren't top young talent that are/were highly rated?
I guess we disagree about more than just who our peers are.
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apologies they were fighting for the league every season pre ENIC. After graham left and the inception of the premiership they hardly challenged for the title until Wenger joined in 1996/97, they then won the title in 98 three years before ENIC too over. What on earth are you on about that they consistently challenged for titles in the pre ENIC premier league era.

without going through all of that, i don’t think we are going for the very TOP young talent, we are for talented youth with a potential resale values. i saw on another thread that you are citing the world record sale of Bale as a levy success story. I think that says it all about how our divergent views on what makes a successful owner
 
DubSpur said:
VdV or Romero over Gabriel. Possibly Kulu in CM, depending on how they set up. They've issues at full back, so case could be made for our FBs.
The rest listed are mostly still kids.
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The actual answer is none. Romero is nowhere near Gabriel. Particularly the way he is integral to their set pieces.Mickey does get a shout but he's the only one that's close to their starting XI.

But thank you for answering. I very much doubt Kulu would make their bench tbh. And he's probably our best player atm.
 
RigorMortis said:
apologies they were fighting for the league every season pre ENIC. After graham left and the inception of the premiership they hardly challenged for the title until Wenger joined in 1996/97, they then won the title in 98 three years before ENIC too over. What on earth are you on about that they consistently challenged for titles in the pre ENIC premier league era.

without going through all of that, i don’t think we are going for the very TOP young talent, we are for talented youth with a potential resale values. i saw on another thread that you are citing the world record sale of Bale as a levy success story. I think that says it all about how our divergent views on what makes a successful owner
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Arsenal won a couple of leagues around the end of the 80s start of 90s. They went about 5 years without really challenging and then fighting for and winning it again and then constantly being up there fighting for it until the last time won it.

The point about Bale was in reference to every poor transfer was being blamed on him, but no credit given for the good transfers. I think it says it all about your views when you can't give credit for the good but are more than willing to give blame for the bad.
 
billyiddo said:
Not for me, anything that puts tottenham & Arsenal in the same peer group as West Ham is not really worth much attention.

The tiers of English football imv were Liverpool & United, the two genuine elite level clubs, then Arsenal kinda on their own - not as big as those two but bigger than the group we are in which is Everton Tottenham Villa Leeds Saudi Sportswashing Machine pre money Emirates Marketing Project, then you have your Wolves Sheffields Forest pre money Chelsea, then below that your Blackburns Crystal Palace and West Hams.
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sorry i wouldn’t agree on that because there are too many intangibles

Pre premier league the big five were considered to be ourselves, everton, united, liverpool and arsenal. Last year we were in the big six, its probably now a big five again.

The point is what makes a club successful. of course one point is success breeds success but if you look at it from a purely logical point of view we have a far bigger pull in my opinion than the clubs you mention. That West Ham haven’t taken advantage of their location and fanbase is down to the incompetence of their owners over the years.

The only club in your list that i would potentially entertain as a peer ( if you took location out) would be Everton The others are yo yo clubs and don’t have the London factor.

But fair enough if you don’t think it deserves muchattention.

it’s a side argument that detracts from the fact that we have( in my opinion) painfully unambitous owners who are making a pigs ear on the footballing side and who’s race is run
 
Batspur said:
The actual answer is none. Romero is nowhere near Gabriel. Particularly the way he is integral to their set pieces.Mickey does get a shout but he's the only one that's close to their starting XI.

But thank you for answering. I very much doubt Kulu would make their bench tbh. And he's probably our best player atm.
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Now go back and compare it to the Arsenal team at the start of Arteta & Edu's rebuild which would be a fair measure given where we are on our path vs them.
 
RigorMortis said:
sorry i wouldn’t agree on that because there are too many intangibles

Pre premier league the big five were considered to be ourselves, everton, united, liverpool and arsenal. Last year we were in the big six, its probably now a big five again.

The point is what makes a club successful. of course one point is success breeds success but if you look at it from a purely logical point of view we have a far bigger pull in my opinion than the clubs you mention. That West Ham haven’t taken advantage of their location and fanbase is down to the incompetence of their owners over the years.

The only club in your list that i would potentially entertain as a peer ( if you took location out) would be Everton The others are yo yo clubs and don’t have the London factor.

But fair enough if you don’t think it deserves muchattention.

it’s a side argument that detracts from the fact that we have( in my opinion) painfully unambitous owners who are making a pigs ear on the footballing side and who’s race is run
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West ham are a yo yo club and if London is a factor why not all London clubs vs them? Turnover and history is what makes a peer group imv not location
 
DubSpur said:
Arsenal won a couple of leagues around the end of the 80s start of 90s. They went about 5 years without really challenging and then fighting for and winning it again and then constantly being up there fighting for it until the last time won it.

The point about Bale was in reference to every poor transfer was being blamed on him, but no credit given for the good transfers. I think it says it all about your views when you can't give credit for the good but are more than willing to give blame for the bad.
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they won it twice in 89 and 91 and didn’t challenge again until 98 when they won it, they were then consistent challengers for the title when ENI arrived and even won it twice. So your point that they were better pre ENIC is incorrect, given that their most successful manager in their history had the bulk of his tenure during the ENIC years!!

As for the Bale transfer, the credit you’re giving him is that he got a record transfer for a player who wanted to leave after realising his ambitions weren’t going to be met at Spurs. The only blessing was that he went to a Real Madrid rather than an English club but yes let’s all applaud ENIc for getting money for the talent drain out of our club as players achieve their ambitions else where
 
RigorMortis said:
they won it twice in 89 and 91 and didn’t challenge again until 98 when they won it, they were then consistent challengers for the title when ENI arrived and even won it twice. So your point that they were better pre ENIC is incorrect, given that their most successful manager in their history had the bulk of his tenure during the ENIC years!!

As for the Bale transfer, the credit you’re giving him is that he got a record transfer for a player who wanted to leave after realising his ambitions weren’t going to be met at Spurs. The only blessing was that he went to a Real Madrid rather than an English club but yes let’s all applaud ENIc for getting money for the talent drain out of our club as players achieve their ambitions else where
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He was clearly using the Bale transfer fee to show that Bale was a player we bought who was one of the best talents of his generation. The way you are taking that is disengerous
 
billyiddo said:
We are though - but 3 or so seasons behind them.

Your second sentence is irrelevant to that.
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We're on the same path?

Really?

This is the hill you want to die on. Ange at the wheel, us in 15th our worse ever run in the history of the premier league. Second worst ever in our entire history

But we're on the right path....

The internet is a weird place for sure.
 
RigorMortis said:
As for the Bale transfer, the credit you’re giving him is that he got a record transfer for a player who wanted to leave after realising his ambitions weren’t going to be met at Spurs. The only blessing was that he went to a Real Madrid rather than an English club but yes let’s all applaud ENIc for getting money for the talent drain out of our club as players achieve their ambitions else where
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Thank you for clearly proving my point. Happy to jump on any negative aspect but not able to give credit for signing a generational talent, that gave I'm sure all of us some great enjoyment, and when he did leave, left us with a healthy transfer budget. But nah, everything Levy does is bad.
 
Batspur said:
We're on the same path?

Really?

This is the hill you want to die on. Ange at the wheel, us in 15th our worse ever run in the history of the premier league. Second worst ever in our entire history

But we're on the right path....

The internet is a weird place for sure.
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I don't think you understand what the term you're arguing against means mate 🤣

I was just saying that we are at the beginning of a rebuild and that your comparison to Arsenal would be more even handed if you compared it to when they were at the beginning of theirs rather than comparing us to the 2nd best team in the league as though it makes sense at point at this time.
 
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