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AVB & Spurs Tactics and Formations discussion thread

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Jordinho said:
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That is interesting.. Three at the back seems to do quite well, however it is a far smaller sample then the 4-2-3-1 stats..


I'd be concerned that people only play 3 at the back against the easier teams, thus the better win ratio would be expected..
 
Us playing a 3-4-2-1:

.........................Adebayor?.....................
...........Sigurdsson.............van der Vaart....
Bale.........Modric..............Sandro........Lennon
.......Vertonghen....Kaboul.....Walker...............
 
Martinez's 3-4-3 worked a treat for Wigan at the back end of last season;)
 
Those numbers include all the poor teams as well, so I wouldn't really draw any conclusions from it.

Would have been interesting to see the numbers for top 6 or top half teams and so on.
 
Jordinho said:
Those numbers include all the poor teams as well, so I wouldn't really draw any conclusions from it.

Would have been interesting to see the numbers for top 6 or top half teams and so on.
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I agree, a team that is up against a better team is much more likely to play a 4-1-4-1 or 4-5-1 formation etc.

What did you guys think about our formation last night?

I thought it looked pretty much like a 4-2-3-1/4-4-1-1 until VdV came on for Jenas, from then on it looked more like a 4-3-3 with Livermore as the deepest midfielder and Sigurdsson and VdV ahead of him.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
They were suicidal defensively and massively rode their luck
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you aint seen nothing yet....get ready for AVB's Spurs;)

I dont think Wigan were that bad, i bet you are mainly influenced by the Saudi Sportswashing Machine game at home:-k. That was the only one where they could have shipped loads in but were lucky and ended up scoring plenty themselves
 
Anyone else worried about the space in between our defence and midfield?

I couldn't watch the Valencia game, but I've just watched the highlights on Spurs TV. And for both goals, as well as a couple of other times, there was far too large a gap in between our defenders and central midfielders ... Given that Villas-Boas seems to want us to play a pressing game, I guess our CMs are supposed to press high up the pitch ... but I worry that Villas-Boas is used to playing this way with an extra midfielder in there who can patrol the gap between the two banks of four ... without that extra CM, we look very open in that space.

Is this going to be an issue? Or is it just a case of our defenders not pushing up high enough, and not being aggressive enough in tracking and tackling forwards who drop deeper? A couple of times, including for the first goal, our centre-backs didn't follow the deeper forward; they both tracked the more advanced striker instead.

I love seeing teams press aggresively; it looks like a virtually unbeatable strategy when done well. But when it's not done well, you can look so open!

Let's hope it will start to look better once the season actually starts ... given Chelsea's problems with it though, I'd be lying if I sad I wasn't feeling rather nervous ...
 
this pressing sh!t is going to get us into all sorts of trouble. Its as clear as day. But if AVB is a lucky man, opponents will miss clear chances, and at the other end for us we will have Falcao and Hulk banging them in for fun and bailing us out time after time ;)
 
indianspur said:
this pressing sh!t is going to get us into all sorts of trouble. Its as clear as day. But if AVB is a lucky man, opponents will miss clear chances, and at the other end for us we will have Falcao and Hulk banging them in for fun and bailing us out time after time ;)
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As I posted before, Porto conceded 16 goals in 30 league games under Villas-Boas - a fantastic defensive record. I know they're a dominant team in an average league, but that record suggests that they weren't shipping loads of chances (unless they were phenomenally lucky over a whole season).

Barcelona and Spain both use aggressive pressing fantastically well, as did Swansea last season I believe. What do they do so well that minimises the weaknesses of such an approach? Do they just press better as a team, having ahd it drilled into them for years?
 
elltrev said:
As I posted before, Porto conceded 16 goals in 30 league games under Villas-Boas - a fantastic defensive record. I know they're a dominant team in an average league, but that record suggests that they weren't shipping loads of chances (unless they were phenomenally lucky over a whole season).

Barcelona and Spain both use aggressive pressing fantastically well, as did Swansea last season I believe. What do they do so well that minimises the weaknesses of such an approach? Do they just press better as a team, having ahd it drilled into them for years?
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its not just about pressing though, its more about ball retention, because once you win the ball you have to keep it. If we lose Modric, we lose a key component in keeping the ball. We have a few explosive players like Bale and Lennon who when they get the ball want to run and do something with it, but even they are not used to simply playing neat easy passes just to work openings, to wait until the right time arrives to make a killer pass etc. It really is a culture thing. Barca and Spain obviously have it, Swansea have built it over time, first with Martinez, then Sousa, and Rodgers took it to another level. They keep the ball for the sake of keeping the ball, tiki taka as its famously known, and being experts at retaining the ball takes a whole amount of pressure off the defence. As Rodgers says, if you have possession of the ball then the opposition have less time and chances to threaten you

AVB is different. He wants the high pressing, then once we get the ball we have to immediately go for the throats of the opposition. Its a riskier game, its rushed, and more prone to mistakes.

about Porto, you cannot underestimate how the presence of goalscoring machines Falcao and Hulk can actually scare the opposition so much that they go into games immediately with the thought they have to be careful and sit back. They are on the back foot even before they start. He hasnt got that luxury at Spurs
 
elltrev said:
What do they do so well that minimises the weaknesses of such an approach? Do they just press better as a team, having ahd it drilled into them for years?
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I think thats key. They reach a point where instinctively they move around each other/the ball like a pack and so constantly win the ball in numbers or whoever gets the ball has options to keep possession
 
I think our high line will cost us games this season. AVB knows he must perform though which I keep reminding myself.
 
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