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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 96 64.0%

  • Out

    Votes: 54 36.0%
  • Total voters
    150
thfcsteff said:
OK, why do you think he hasn't plkayed Lankshear? I don't disagree as I love the cut of his jib, but here's the thing. I don't see him often. Or in training. Or any of it. So are people assuming that Ange is not playing him on purpose, that the answer is in front of him and he's being stubborn/hates us? Or could it be that he and his staff are seeing something we aren't? I don't know the answer.

As for your fish, when the only other goalscoring/attacking fish are still making their way back to full ocean fitness, I don't believe there was another option today (sadly it must be said)...
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I think you make a valid argument about not having seen much of Lankshear. However, we saw absolutely nothing of Spence until Ange was forced to play him, and he’s been one of the best players on the pitch for us since he came in (low bar, admittedly). The issue here is that people have lost faith in the judgment of the manager. I know I have. Son and Porro are absolutely desperate for a rest and yet they play every minute of every game. I’d have rather had Reguillon (ie anyone) up front than Son today: at least he’s quick and not shattered.
 
thfcsteff said:
Anyone with any intentions of trying to further grow will realise (as they get older) that opinions will shift with experience and perspective i.e. perspective change due to age. Some label that 'hypocrisy'. In which case, everyone becomes a hypocrite...

...what cannot change in life are your principles. What do you believe in? And how much do you believe in them when the going gets tough?
Marriage is a test of principles. I think most marriages go through rough spells. Maybe in those moments eyes can wander. Do you act? Don you remember why you got married in the first place? Do you remember the vows you made? Were they real? Are you prepared to work? Sacrifice some ego and inflexibility? Would opting out really solve your unhappiness, or would you go to another relationship and repeat the cycle?

That has nothing to do with Ange BTW, but it has to do with our club for the past 25 years. We get twitchy when it doesn't go right and divorce. Then we repeat the same mistakes with THAT wife. Then we start thinking if we simply marry super models -even if they're MILFy bordering on needing The Substance- it will all be fine whilst still not prepared to change our ways.
Here's the truth for me.
We have continually fudged our marriages up over and over. We thought we could satiate ourselves by hooking up with Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell (both of whom, BTW, are still beautiful) and then we don't treat them the way they're used to being treated. So it ends.
We currently have Susan Boyle. Not a model, possibly not even the wife we actually wanted, but christ she has a voice from heaven. Having the flu/laryngitis isn't helping us, and the fact she is perhaps not the aesthete's choice is not helping patience with her. But where do we go? Do we keep oin dumping and hooking up with someone else without changing OUR ways?

I don't know rthe answer, and forgive me for the long-winded metaphor...

FWIW, I got married when I was 22 and was divorced at 25. We made mistakes. I felt I needed to see what I could change about myself to not get into that situation again. I met my current wife when I was 29. We've been together ever since (married in 2001). Trust me, we've had some issues like all marriages, but the lessons learned were invaluable.

I just want us to start learning at some point, and that can only happen above.
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Haha, I love the analogy! Susan Boyle. 😂 I think Susan made an unbelievable first impression! Just utterly stunning for that first few months. She moved in right away. It's been rather topsy turvy since, but we've loved eachother. Only recently it's really been dragging. She keeps blaming a headache there and morning sickness there. At some point I thought maybe she was pregnant! I could really see hope on the horizon! She never admitted it to me, but I think she had a miscarriage. Thinks turned even more sour after that. I don't find her attractive anymore, her voice has no flair in it anymore. She stopped paying rent, so we might have to move soon to a cheaper place with lower standards and less glam. No joy anymore. We've only been together a year and a half, and it was only really good in the beginning. I'm not sure we have a future together.

Haha, sorry, went overboard with that - but thats my relationship with Susan in a nutshell. I would also wish for a kind of Dario Gradi-type manager to manage us for years and years, but I just don't think Ange is that guy, no matter how much time we give him. Slumps in form should be tolerated, of course, but we have been tanking for a long time now, leaving us 15th and in a very real relegation battle as long as this continues.
 
stratnumberone said:
I think you make a valid argument about not having seen much of Lankshear. However, we saw absolutely nothing of Spence until Ange was forced to play him, and he’s been one of the best players on the pitch for us since he came in (low bar, admittedly). The issue here is that people have lost faith in the judgment of the manager. I know I have. Son and Porro are absolutely desperate for a rest and yet they play every minute of every game. I’d have rather had Reguillon (ie anyone) up front than Son today: at least he’s quick and not shattered.
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Yes, the Spence thing is very strange. Again, without further information I don't know what to say other than Spence has been rrally good since coming in. With regards to Reggie, in terms of resting a player for him absolutely, but I think we'd pay for it as Reggie looks a long way off proper match shape to me. Again, I don't see him in training so I don't know...
 
thfcsteff said:
OK, why do you think he hasn't plkayed Lankshear? I don't disagree as I love the cut of his jib, but here's the thing. I don't see him often. Or in training. Or any of it. So are people assuming that Ange is not playing him on purpose, that the answer is in front of him and he's being stubborn/hates us? Or could it be that he and his staff are seeing something we aren't? I don't know the answer.

As for your fish, when the only other goalscoring/attacking fish are still making their way back to full ocean fitness, I don't believe there was another option today (sadly it must be said)...
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I agree with you to an extent but surely thats an argument to protect your important assets. Which makes me dumbstruck that at 5 nil up away to Southampton that Solanke played well into the late minutes, the same with City the same with West Ham. Maybe a reach to say the impact is the reason he is now out (although I do believe fatigue makes players less robust), but I think Ange walked the tightrope when it wasn't needed.

I also think it plays hand in hand, you play Lanks in those moments and you soon see the making of the man, for me its a win win win.

Today was odd for me, the decision to go 3-5-2 looked one of desperation, had the hallmarks of the last stand, I was mythed that we went 3 especially in the interview when he moaned about the lack of CBs then went to 3.
 
Daisuk said:
Haha, I love the analogy! Susan Boyle. 😂 I think Susan made an unbelievable first impression! Just utterly stunning for that first few months. She moved in right away. It's been rather topsy turvy since, but we've loved eachother. Only recently it's really been dragging. She keeps blaming a headache there and morning sickness there. At some point I thought maybe she was pregnant! I could really see hope on the horizon! She never admitted it to me, but I think she had a miscarriage. Thinks turned even more sour after that. I don't find her attractive anymore, her voice has no flair in it anymore. She stopped paying rent, so we might have to move soon to a cheaper place with lower standards and less glam. No joy anymore. We've only been together a year and a half, and it was only really good in the beginning. I'm not sure we have a future together.

Haha, sorry, went overboard with that - but thats my relationship with Susan in a nutshell. I would also wish for a kind of Dario Gradi-type manager to manage us for years and years, but I just don't think Ange is that guy, no matter how much time we give him. Slumps in form should be tolerated, of course, but we have been tanking for a long time now, leaving us 15th and in a very real relegation battle as long as this continues.
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Love this.
And let me be honest...I'd love Susan Boyle's voice in prime Heid Klum vessel! To place that metaphor for women (which I admit will be tough to so looking for help from @Glenda's Legs ) perhaps the same as Seal's voice in either prime Connery or current Kravitz vessel?
Can I change vessels for prime Sophia Loren? Monica Bellucci? Am I losing my compass here??????
 
thfcsteff said:
If only it was that easy. Again, even if that were possible, do you think this fan base would give him more time and patience? They'd expect instant glory LOL...
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This stuff has to stop, the fan base does not expect instant glory - there has not been one chant of Ange out at games and it's only recently (staring at relegation battle in the face) that the tide has started to turn online - there's a whole world of possibilities between instant glory and being in a relegation battle that would see fans content with the direction of travel
 
thfcsteff said:
Anyone with any intentions of trying to further grow will realise (as they get older) that opinions will shift with experience and perspective i.e. perspective change due to age. Some label that 'hypocrisy'. In which case, everyone becomes a hypocrite...

...what cannot change in life are your principles. What do you believe in? And how much do you believe in them when the going gets tough?
Marriage is a test of principles. I think most marriages go through rough spells. Maybe in those moments eyes can wander. Do you act? Don you remember why you got married in the first place? Do you remember the vows you made? Were they real? Are you prepared to work? Sacrifice some ego and inflexibility? Would opting out really solve your unhappiness, or would you go to another relationship and repeat the cycle?

That has nothing to do with Ange BTW, but it has to do with our club for the past 25 years. We get twitchy when it doesn't go right and divorce. Then we repeat the same mistakes with THAT wife. Then we start thinking if we simply marry super models -even if they're MILFy bordering on needing The Substance- it will all be fine whilst still not prepared to change our ways.
Here's the truth for me.
We have continually fudged our marriages up over and over. We thought we could satiate ourselves by hooking up with Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell (both of whom, BTW, are still beautiful) and then we don't treat them the way they're used to being treated. So it ends.
We currently have Susan Boyle. Not a model, possibly not even the wife we actually wanted, but christ she has a voice from heaven. Having the flu/laryngitis isn't helping us, and the fact she is perhaps not the aesthete's choice is not helping patience with her. But where do we go? Do we keep oin dumping and hooking up with someone else without changing OUR ways?

I don't know rthe answer, and forgive me for the long-winded metaphor...

FWIW, I got married when I was 22 and was divorced at 25. We made mistakes. I felt I needed to see what I could change about myself to not get into that situation again. I met my current wife when I was 29. We've been together ever since (married in 2001). Trust me, we've had some issues like all marriages, but the lessons learned were invaluable.

I just want us to start learning at some point, and that can only happen above.
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fudge me Steff. I'm not sure if I'm horny, want to get married or am still just mad about the performance today.

Strangely, I'm starting to see Susan Boyle in a new light...
 
thfcsteff said:
Yes, the Spence thing is very strange. Again, without further information I don't know what to say other than Spence has been rrally good since coming in. With regards to Reggie, in terms of resting a player for him absolutely, but I think we'd pay for it as Reggie looks a long way off proper match shape to me. Again, I don't see him in training so I don't know...
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And therein lies the ever present issue for those like us that comment on footballers based purely on matches: we don’t see them for 95% of the time. Spence might be an absolutely awful trainer. Son might look fresh as a daisy every morning. Again though, the rising spectre of having lost faith in the managers’ judgment. There has to come a time when you realise you’ve tried the same thing so many times that you need to change (and not to a back five 😂). I’d have started Richi today and accepted he might only manage half a game, because that would be better than a lame Son. I’d have started Reguillon at LB and Spence at RB because I think that a tired Porro is a waste of a team space. We’ve seen Son and Porro’s performances wilt, game by game, and yet Ange has done nothing to remedy it. It’s a squad game: use the squad!
 
Grays_1890 said:
I agree with you to an extent but surely thats an argument to protect your important assets. Which makes me dumbstruck that at 5 nil up away to Southampton that Solanke played well into the late minutes, the same with City the same with West Ham. Maybe a reach to say the impact is the reason he is now out (although I do believe fatigue makes players less robust), but I think Ange walked the tightrope when it wasn't needed.

I also think it plays hand in hand, you play Lanks in those moments and you soon see the making of the man, for me its a win win win.

Today was odd for me, the decision to go 3-5-2 looked one of desperation, had the hallmarks of the last stand, I was mythed that we went 3 especially in the interview when he moaned about the lack of CBs then went to 3.
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I think it was @Bedfordspurs who made that point too, and I agree, probablty the most worrying thing for me because it showed a slight questionmark in his mind over himself!
 
billyiddo said:
This stuff has to stop, the fan base does not expect instant glory - there has not been one chant of Ange out at games and it's only recently (staring at relegation battle in the face) that the tide has started to turn online - there's a whole world of possibilities between instant glory and being in a relegation battle that would see fans content with the direction of travel
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Didn't say that Billy.
I was projecting what Poch would likely face IMO. Totally different sentiment. If you want to conflate that into a general overview you have of my opinions/how you perceive I am presenting them and who you perceive I am blaming, that is on you.
For the record (and I'ver actually written this a few times) I absolutely understand the frustration, I too am frustrated, and I have not 'blamed' fans for anything.

I'll apologise for the Poch projection, if only because it is an assumption and further because it wont' happen.
You're right re: Ange and fans at game.
 
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Daisuk said:
Haha, that made me actually chuckle. Can see him sitting there eating doritos with crumbs on his belly commenting on what Sean or April is doing (or whatever they are called).

Sorry, Ange, if you happen to read GG, nothing personal, but that was rather amusing.
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Like Bedford said, anyone writes what they want on teletext and people take it as gospel. Almost every training video I've seen he's been there, but perhaps it's just all deep faked.....
 
stratnumberone said:
And therein lies the ever present issue for those like us that comment on footballers based purely on matches: we don’t see them for 95% of the time. Spence might be an absolutely awful trainer. Son might look fresh as a daisy every morning. Again though, the rising spectre of having lost faith in the managers’ judgment. There has to come a time when you realise you’ve tried the same thing so many times that you need to change (and not to a back five 😂). I’d have started Richi today and accepted he might only manage half a game, because that would be better than a lame Son. I’d have started Reguillon at LB and Spence at RB because I think that a tired Porro is a waste of a team space. We’ve seen Son and Porro’s performances wilt, game by game, and yet Ange has done nothing to remedy it. It’s a squad game: use the squad!
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Indeed.
Frankly, I'm a 4-2-3-1 appreciator as it is, and have always thought 4-3-3 is a tough system to make work.

In agree with several of your points, sadly the situation is no longer as binary as it might've been in, say, late October.
 
thfcsteff said:
Love this.
And let me be honest...I'd love Susan Boyle's voice in prime Heid Klum vessel! To place that metaphor for women (which I admit will be tough to so looking for help from @Glenda's Legs ) perhaps the same as Seal's voice in either prime Connery or current Kravitz vessel?
Can I change vessels for prime Sophia Loren? Monica Bellucci? Am I losing my compass here??????
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Aim for Heidi Klums voice in prime Susan Boyle vessel that should put the compass right for a very boozy night out
 
One thing.
Whatever your views and opinions are, they should be respected. If anyone feels patronised by an opinion I express, I apologise for that as it is not my intent at all. Equally, I'll fervently discuss and debate my perspectives and opinions. Those who have known me for a while around here will surely know it isn't personal or intended to make people feel slighted. I am no smarter than anyone, but I am certainly no dumber either. Like us all, I just want this current Hotspur tide to change.
 
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