Ange in or out?

[veryoldspur]

Isn't it more likely he'll go now? Fans have lost all faith. How can you continue?

and why would he want to come to Spurs?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Isn't it more likely he'll go now? Fans have lost all faith. How can you continue?

Not IMO because we can’t replace him

 

[Bedfordspurs]

He has (had to I know but still has)n trusted Gray and Bergvall regularly. Moore has jumped from 18s to senior without even a stint in the 21s, so he obviously trusts him. The Will question would be fascinating to hear an answer to...

Players he signed you mean
They aren’t youth players, they are young players
Moore was made a commitment when he signed the contract.
He has scored one goal in the 2 games he has had.

 

[SteveAWOL]

When said fish can no longer take the chances he use to take, and his legs just seen to have gone. Then yeh I would stop asking or at least stop playing him for the entire game.

At this point I would play Lanks....desperate times call for desperate measures. We know werner cannot finish...we know the limits of BJ and yet we keep seeing them

Hopefully Djill Lankshear is due a Djedemption, as it seems like an eternity ago that Son (or our CF at Tamworth, Werner) finished a chance this well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813655412090228914

 

[SpurMeUp]

Not IMO because we can’t replace him

But when everyone has identified a dead man walking, how can you have authority or any confidence with players. It just builds to a point where no fans are behind him, and his position is lost before kick off.

 

[elyid]

I’ve moved from in to out today.

Yes we’ve got a lot of injuries, but imo a lot of our problems have come from stupid team selections and having arbitrary players he doesn’t fancy.

Not starting Lankshear against Tamworth was a huge mistake. Not only to rest someone, but also he may have scored and given confidence to Ange that he could be more involved. (Maybe not but he had to try)

Not starting Spence until forced to.

Not involving Reggie more, should have been a shoe in today.

Not playing Gray in midfield today.

We could have put out a good balanced team today (Maddison 10, Kulu and Moore on the wings, Gray in CM, Spence, Dragu, Davies, Reggie at the back. But no.

Players are picked more based on some unknown values (how much they kiss ass around the club?) than what our best team is.

That only works if you’re winning. Time to go.

 

[Batspur]

Just read that it could cost £12m to sack Ange before any compensation.

Yep, Ange in lovers you will love that. He's staying.

Levy has paid managers more to fudge off.

He is famous for it. He’s spent more of our money paying off managers than he has on our highest ever signing.

It’s brilliant business. Our old managers call it Levy time.

 

[thfcsteff]

I'm not trying to speak on the behalf of anyone or target anyone specific here - but it seems to me like if you have invested a lot of opinions in wanting to keep him here, it will be so much harder to let those opinions go. Same with politics or anything else really. If you clutch to your opinions as if your life depended on it, you won't be swayed even if all the evidence for the contrary is staring you in the face.

Anyone with any intentions of trying to further grow will realise (as they get older) that opinions will shift with experience and perspective i.e. perspective change due to age. Some label that 'hypocrisy'. In which case, everyone becomes a hypocrite...

...what cannot change in life are your principles. What do you believe in? And how much do you believe in them when the going gets tough?
Marriage is a test of principles. I think most marriages go through rough spells. Maybe in those moments eyes can wander. Do you act? Don you remember why you got married in the first place? Do you remember the vows you made? Were they real? Are you prepared to work? Sacrifice some ego and inflexibility? Would opting out really solve your unhappiness, or would you go to another relationship and repeat the cycle?

That has nothing to do with Ange BTW, but it has to do with our club for the past 25 years. We get twitchy when it doesn't go right and divorce. Then we repeat the same mistakes with THAT wife. Then we start thinking if we simply marry super models -even if they're MILFy bordering on needing The Substance- it will all be fine whilst still not prepared to change our ways.
Here's the truth for me.
We have continually fudged our marriages up over and over. We thought we could satiate ourselves by hooking up with Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell (both of whom, BTW, are still beautiful) and then we don't treat them the way they're used to being treated. So it ends.
We currently have Susan Boyle. Not a model, possibly not even the wife we actually wanted, but christ she has a voice from heaven. Having the flu/laryngitis isn't helping us, and the fact she is perhaps not the aesthete's choice is not helping patience with her. But where do we go? Do we keep oin dumping and hooking up with someone else without changing OUR ways?

I don't know rthe answer, and forgive me for the long-winded metaphor...

FWIW, I got married when I was 22 and was divorced at 25. We made mistakes. I felt I needed to see what I could change about myself to not get into that situation again. I met my current wife when I was 29. We've been together ever since (married in 2001). Trust me, we've had some issues like all marriages, but the lessons learned were invaluable.

I just want us to start learning at some point, and that can only happen above.

 

[Mikey10]

If only it was that easy. Again, even if that were possible, do you think this fan base would give him more time and patience? They'd expect instant glory LOL...

Much as I have loved your posts over the years, Steff, I find this kind of posting pretty patronising tbh. It’s a similar tone to that which the pod has also taken of late, hence the reason I’ve been giving it a miss for a while now. The implication of both seems to be that us lowly plebs can’t be trusted to interpret ‘the long term trajectory’ and ‘the data’ properly.

The fans are watching a bloke who is not cut out for management at this level, unfortunately. The players look lost; we look like we could lose to literally anyone (we were an 89th minute decent shot away from being beaten by Tamworth last week ffs!); stranger and stranger on-field decisions are being made; and we have taken 5 points from a possible 30/30 from a possible 83.

None of that is on the supporters. None of that is imagined. And there is no evidence apparent that Ange has what it takes to turn it around; in fact, we’ve been going backwards in the league for at least a year.

People can see all of this. In my view, the fans have been extremely patient with a bloke who has never managed at this level before. and who seems to be stubbornly wedded to a system of play which almost every statistic says just isn’t able to function successfully in the PL.

There’s a lot of blame to go around at the minute, but for me, none of it is on the fans.

 

[Daveeeeeeeed]

Levy has paid managers more to fudge off.

He is famous for it. He’s spent more of our money paying off managers than he has on our highest ever signing.

It’s brilliant business. Our old managers call it Levy time.

No I get that, but surely it comes to when enough is enough.

Also it looks like Levy is actually backing Ange and he is safe, as others have been sacked for far far better results. That's why I don't think he will want to pay the compensation and is holding out for a cup, or to see if it gets any better.

Dangerous game to play, as on current form and results we are heading for the relegation zone.

Maybe Levy wants to learn from his mistakes and see if Ange can get us to a final and trophy, and not sack him the night before.

 

[SteveAWOL]

I’ve moved from in to out today.

Yes we’ve got a lot of injuries, but imo a lot of our problems have come from stupid team selections and having arbitrary players he doesn’t fancy.

Not starting Lankshear against Tamworth was a huge mistake. Not only to rest someone, but also he may have scored and given confidence to Ange that he could be more involved. (Maybe not but he had to try)

Not starting Spence until forced to.

Not involving Reggie more, should have been a shoe in today.

Not playing Gray in midfield today.

We could have put out a good balanced team today (Maddison 10, Kulu and Moore on the wings, Gray in CM, Spence, Dragu, Davies, Reggie at the back. But no.

Players are picked more based on some unknown values (how much they kiss ass around the club?) than what our best team is.

That only works if you’re winning. Time to go.

Can only assume that Postecoglou is relying too much on misinformation from his cobbled together bunch of coaches who do all the training.

How excited we were a couple of hours ago to see Davies back in at LCB so that Gray would finally get to play as CMF only to discover we’d mysteriously switched to a back 5 for the first time in Postecoglou’s tenure.

If he thought that switching to a back 5 could solve our defensive issues then why didn’t the gaffer try that when he had Romero and van de Ven available?

 

[veryoldspur]

Anyone with any intentions of trying to further grow will realise (as they get older) that opinions will shift with experience and perspective i.e. perspective change due to age. Some label that 'hypocrisy'. In which case, everyone becomes a hypocrite...

...what cannot change in life are your principles. What do you believe in? And how much do you believe in them when the going gets tough?
Marriage is a test of principles. I think most marriages go through rough spells. Maybe in those moments eyes can wander. Do you act? Don you remember why you got married in the first place? Do you remember the vows you made? Were they real? Are you prepared to work? Sacrifice some ego and inflexibility? Would opting out really solve your unhappiness, or would you go to another relationship and repeat the cycle?

That has nothing to do with Ange BTW, but it has to do with our club for the past 25 years. We get twitchy when it doesn't go right and divorce. Then we repeat the same mistakes with THAT wife. Then we start thinking if we simply marry super models -even if they're MILFy bordering on needing The Substance- it will all be fine whilst still not prepared to change our ways.
Here's the truth for me.
We have continually fudged our marriages up over and over. We thought we could satiate ourselves by hooking up with Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell (both of whom, BTW, are still beautiful) and then we don't treat them the way they're used to being treated. So it ends.
We currently have Susan Boyle. Not a model, possibly not even the wife we actually wanted, but christ she has a voice from heaven. Having the flu/laryngitis isn't helping us, and the fact she is perhaps not the aesthete's choice is not helping patience with her. But where do we go? Do we keep oin dumping and hooking up with someone else without changing OUR ways?

I don't know rthe answer, and forgive me for the long-winded metaphor...

FWIW, I got married when I was 22 and was divorced at 25. We made mistakes. I felt I needed to see what I could change about myself to not get into that situation again. I met my current wife when I was 29. We've been together ever since (married in 2001). Trust me, we've had some issues like all marriages, but the lessons learned were invaluable.

I just want us to start learning at some point, and that can only happen above.

You make a good point, Susan Boyle would make a better manager than the fool we have in charge at present

 

[thfcsteff]

You make a good point, Susan Boyle would make a better manager than the fool we have in charge at present

hahahah, touche!

 

[veryoldspur]

No I get that, but surely it comes to when enough is enough.

Also it looks like Levy is actually backing Ange and he is safe, as others have been sacked for far far better results. That's why I don't think he will want to pay the compensation and is holding out for a cup, or to see if it gets any better.

Dangerous game to play, as on current form and results we are heading for the relegation zone.

Maybe Levy wants to learn from his mistakes and see if Ange can get us to a final and trophy, and not sack him the night before.

He may not have sacked Ange based on the flack he got when he sacked Jose before a final. Anyone with any football knowledge should realise it doesn't matter who we have in charge Liverpool will stuff us in the second leg. He needs to get rid of this pretender and move on

 

[Trixster]

Anyone with any intentions of trying to further grow will realise (as they get older) that opinions will shift with experience and perspective i.e. perspective change due to age. Some label that 'hypocrisy'. In which case, everyone becomes a hypocrite...

...what cannot change in life are your principles. What do you believe in? And how much do you believe in them when the going gets tough?
Marriage is a test of principles. I think most marriages go through rough spells. Maybe in those moments eyes can wander. Do you act? Don you remember why you got married in the first place? Do you remember the vows you made? Were they real? Are you prepared to work? Sacrifice some ego and inflexibility? Would opting out really solve your unhappiness, or would you go to another relationship and repeat the cycle?

That has nothing to do with Ange BTW, but it has to do with our club for the past 25 years. We get twitchy when it doesn't go right and divorce. Then we repeat the same mistakes with THAT wife. Then we start thinking if we simply marry super models -even if they're MILFy bordering on needing The Substance- it will all be fine whilst still not prepared to change our ways.
Here's the truth for me.
We have continually fudged our marriages up over and over. We thought we could satiate ourselves by hooking up with Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell (both of whom, BTW, are still beautiful) and then we don't treat them the way they're used to being treated. So it ends.
We currently have Susan Boyle. Not a model, possibly not even the wife we actually wanted, but christ she has a voice from heaven. Having the flu/laryngitis isn't helping us, and the fact she is perhaps not the aesthete's choice is not helping patience with her. But where do we go? Do we keep oin dumping and hooking up with someone else without changing OUR ways?

I don't know rthe answer, and forgive me for the long-winded metaphor...

FWIW, I got married when I was 22 and was divorced at 25. We made mistakes. I felt I needed to see what I could change about myself to not get into that situation again. I met my current wife when I was 29. We've been together ever since (married in 2001). Trust me, we've had some issues like all marriages, but the lessons learned were invaluable.

I just want us to start learning at some point, and that can only happen above.

Trouble is your Susan Boyle has very nearly finished the transition to Edith from Still Game.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Much as I have loved your posts over the years, Steff, I find this kind of posting pretty patronising tbh. It’s a similar tone to that which the pod has also taken of late, hence the reason I’ve been giving it a miss for a while now. The implication of both seems to be that us lowly plebs can’t be trusted to interpret ‘the long term trajectory’ and ‘the data’ properly.

The fans are watching a bloke who is not cut out for management at this level, unfortunately. The players look lost; we look like we could lose to literally anyone (we were an 89th minute decent shot away from being beaten by Tamworth last week ffs!); stranger and stranger on-field decisions are being made; and we have taken 5 points from a possible 30/30 from a possible 83.

None of that is on the supporters. None of that is imagined. And there is no evidence apparent that Ange has what it takes to turn it around; in fact, we’ve been going backwards in the league for at least a year.

People can see all of this. In my view, the fans have been extremely patient with a bloke who has never managed at this level before. and who seems to be stubbornly wedded to a system of play which almost every statistic says just isn’t able to function successfully in the PL.

There’s a lot of blame to go around at the minute, but for me, none of it is on the fans.

I agree with most of that.


Accept some blame is on the fans, the fans that continue to want to back Ange.


Losing at home to Palace, Fulham, Ipswich and drawing with Wolves. It was obvious in December he was not up to it.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I’m not making excuses, I’m just giving people facts where they exist to allow them to create their own opinion with more information
We do live in a world where people don’t do the checks anymore and it’s why people manipulate things

Are you still of the opinion that the amount of goals we concede are nothing to do with the system?

 

[scaramanga]

I agree with most of that.


Accept some blame is on the fans, the fans that continue to want to back Ange.


Losing at home to Palace, Fulham, Ipswich and drawing with Wolves. It was obvious in December he was not up to it.

It was obvious when he turned up with no experience above pub level.

Needs a season or two with a step up to League One, then maybe a Championship stint, a couple of years at a West Ham or Saudi Sportswashing Machine, then he'd be ready for us.

 

[thfcsteff]

Much as I have loved your posts over the years, Steff, I find this kind of posting pretty patronising tbh. It’s a similar tone to that which the pod has also taken of late, hence the reason I’ve been giving it a miss for a while now. The implication of both seems to be that us lowly plebs can’t be trusted to interpret ‘the long term trajectory’ and ‘the data’ properly.

The fans are watching a bloke who is not cut out for management at this level, unfortunately. The players look lost; we look like we could lose to literally anyone (we were an 89th minute decent shot away from being beaten by Tamworth last week ffs!); stranger and stranger on-field decisions are being made; and we have taken 5 points from a possible 30/30 from a possible 83.

None of that is on the supporters. None of that is imagined. And there is no evidence apparent that Ange has what it takes to turn it around; in fact, we’ve been going backwards in the league for at least a year.

People can see all of this. In my view, the fans have been extremely patient with a bloke who has never managed at this level before. and who seems to be stubbornly wedded to a system of play which almost every statistic says just isn’t able to function successfully in the PL.

There’s a lot of blame to go around at the minute, but for me, none of it is on the fans.

As is mate.
Take it as you wish.
I don't set out to patronise anyone, but I won't ever forget the impatience shown towards Pochettino at the first sign of real trouble (which hindsight tells us is the sort of 'trouble' we'd beg for now). I'll accept being called any number of things for not forgetting that, as it's on me.
I won't bother 'defending' myself too much as it seems as though your mind is set, but I fully accept many want him gone. All I have ever said is that context is very important IMO.
It's all good Mikey.
Two things I will pick you up on though; I am not a 'data man' per se, and the amount of reliance on data for information is Milo and I differ on.
The second is that I am also a 'lowly fan' trying to make sense of this fudging mess. Frankly, I find methods such as mine are patronised and disregarded more than others, but again, all good mate and at the end of this, all we want is for our club to be successful and entertaining.
Hope you get back to the pod someday.

 

[thfcsteff]

Trouble is your Susan Boyle has very nearly finished the transition to Edith from Still Game.

At least this weird metaphor I threw out there is bringing a dash of levity to the grim skies...