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2022 World Cup... gonna ruin the European Season

Grays_1890 said:
Spot on

Either Invite people to your country under the banner of a sport that is inclusive to everyone, or don't bother bribing people to win it in the first place.
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Another fine point. I’d say here, however, that the burden still sits with FIFA for taking the cash and arrogantly assuming they could modulate Qatari ways for the World Cup month. The country’s history is both interesting and a further damning indictment of imperialism of course, however it is interesting to note how for some time in the 2000s, Qatar sought to be seen as the ‘moderate’ Islamic nation in the Middle East. The increasing alliance with militant Islam and also sponsoring the Iranian mullahs moves has seen that notion somewhat collapse. Complicated stuff.

I agree, the World Cup should not ever be staged anywhere that everyone is not welcome. FIFA, this one’s on you!
 
thfcsteff said:
I think you’ve hit the crux of the matter.
This all comes down to FIFA, their greed, their arrogance, their corruption.
Qatar will likely not be changing its ways any time soon. Ways I heartily disagree with BTW.
But the real issue here is that FIFA had the arrogance to think they could force a nation to shift its cultural ways for one month, AND trouser a large amount of cash in exchange for ‘helping’ a nation try to sportwash itself into international/western ‘acceptance’.
The ONLY change we can hope for, is FIFA to be brought to their knees.
As for Qatar itself, I personally despise their beliefs on homosexuality, slave labour and womens rights, but I don’t live there, it is not my country, and I don’t feel personally I can ‘demand’ that they ‘change their ways’, it would surely be the height of western arrogance to do so?
FIFA should never have taken the money.
There again, I think FIFA should be either broken up and re-assembled, or replaced by a new footballing body.
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the thing is, FIFA have had that arrogance for years, and Brazil, South Africa, and even Russia to some degree, did just that
 
how does the olympic committe choose countries to host the event, and how can we be sure thye are not corrupt ?
lots of countries boycotted the beijing olympics recently.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think you’ve hit the crux of the matter.
This all comes down to FIFA, their greed, their arrogance, their corruption.
Qatar will likely not be changing its ways any time soon. Ways I heartily disagree with BTW.
But the real issue here is that FIFA had the arrogance to think they could force a nation to shift its cultural ways for one month, AND trouser a large amount of cash in exchange for ‘helping’ a nation try to sportwash itself into international/western ‘acceptance’.
The ONLY change we can hope for, is FIFA to be brought to their knees.
As for Qatar itself, I personally despise their beliefs on homosexuality, slave labour and womens rights, but I don’t live there, it is not my country, and I don’t feel personally I can ‘demand’ that they ‘change their ways’, it would surely be the height of western arrogance to do so?
FIFA should never have taken the money.
There again, I think FIFA should be either broken up and re-assembled, or replaced by a new footballing body.
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Demand that they change their ways, no we can't. I mean, we could try, but it wouldn't work. I'm not sure trying it's the height of Western arrogance. "Demanding" and failing that someone respects human rights to a higher degree, we've been more arrogant than that.

I think what we can demand is that we will have a conversation about this. And when we share the international stage, we will not be silenced. Not by them, nor by FIFA. If they refuse to even have a conversation about what others see as deeply problematic with their laws, how they treat people, that's on them, not on us.
 
Baleforce said:
the thing is, FIFA have had that arrogance for years, and Brazil, South Africa, and even Russia to some degree, did just that
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I agree. I think more noise should have been made about that in the past too. Glad it's now changing.

metalgear said:
how does the olympic committe choose countries to host the event, and how can we be sure thye are not corrupt ?
lots of countries boycotted the beijing olympics recently.
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We cannot be sure they're not corrupt. Closer to the opposite would be a safer assumption imo.
 
braineclipse said:
Demand that they change their ways, no we can't. I mean, we could try, but it wouldn't work. I'm not sure trying it's the height of Western arrogance. "Demanding" and failing that someone respects human rights to a higher degree, we've been more arrogant than that.

I think what we can demand is that we will have a conversation about this. And when we share the international stage, we will not be silenced. Not by them, nor by FIFA. If they refuse to even have a conversation about what others see as deeply problematic with their laws, how they treat people, that's on them, not on us.
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Agreed. I think the real problem here is FIFA.
 
thfcsteff said:
Agreed. I think the real problem here is FIFA.
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Well it's not the only or deepest problem here. But FIFA at least could be influenced, shamed, pressured into some degree of positive change.

How Qatar treats migrant workers and LGBTQ people is the real problem, or at least one of them.

If a protest or action annoys both of them and doesn't cause real harm to others I'm all for it.

For the record I don't think we disagree at all and looking at my post now it's definitely at least a bit pedantic. Take it as me being difficult, but agreeing with you.
 
Gutter Boy said:
UEFA and the FA are no better. They are both appalling bodies too. Football governance in general is in a really bad state.
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I think most sportsmen would say their governing bodies at all levels are out of touch with the players. Sport has become such a media event and the money it generates that they come first when organising major games. I still like football and cricket but dont love them and at times I loath parts of them. I went to a Charlton game recently and enjoyed the experience, probably because I wasnt concerned with the result, I find the atmosphere horrible at Tottenham at times.
 
I now also root for the European parliament after this statement:

World Cup in Qatar: FIFA should help compensate families of dead migrant workers
  • MEPs describe the corruption within FIFA as “rampant, systemic and deep-rooted”
  • Parliament calls on Qatar and FIFA to compensate all victims of World Cup preparations
  • FIFA has seriously damaged the image and integrity of global football
With the 2022 FIFA World Cup having kicked off in Qatar, Parliament deplores the deaths of thousands of migrant workers ahead of the tournament.

On Thursday, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the human rights situation in Qatar. MEPs highlight that the Gulf state won the FIFA World Cup bidding process amidst credible allegations of bribery and corruption. They deplore the deaths of thousands of migrant workers primarily in the construction sector who helped the country prepare for the tournament, as well as all those injured.

Describing the corruption within FIFA as “rampant, systemic and deep-rooted”, MEPs also deplore that the process to award the football World Cup to Qatar in 2010 was not transparent and lacked responsible risk-assessment, and underscore how FIFA has seriously damaged the image and integrity of global football.

Parliament urges EU countries, particularly those with large national football leagues, such as Germany, France, Italy, and Spain, to exert pressure on UEFA and FIFA to fundamentally reform FIFA. This would include introducing democratic and transparent procedures when awarding football World Cups and strictly implementing human rights and sustainability criteria for hosting countries.

To protect athletes and fans and put an end to sportswashing, international sporting events should not be awarded to countries in which fundamental and human rights are violated, and where systematic gender-based violence is prevalent.

All victims of World Cup preparations should be compensated

With an estimated more than 2 million foreign nationals making up some 94% of the country’s workforce, the resolution welcomes the fact that, according to the International Labour Organization, the Qatari government has reimbursed USD 320 million to wage abuse victims through the so-called “Workers’ Support and Insurance Fund”. MEPs regret, however, that many workers in Qatar and their families have been excluded from its scope and call for the fund to be extended to include all those affected since the work related to the FIFA World Cup began, covering also workers’ deaths and other human rights abuses.

They also call on FIFA to contribute to a comprehensive remediation programme for workers’ families as compensation for the conditions to which they have been subjected.

Full investigations needed

Acknowledging the important contribution of migrant workers to Qatar’s economy and the 2022 FIFA World Cup, Parliament urges the Qatari authorities to conduct full investigations into the deaths of migrant workers in the country and to compensate to families in cases where workers died as a result of their working conditions. It also supports Qatar’s recent efforts to improve the conditions and rights of workers, which the international community has raised, but calls for the full implementation of the adopted reforms.

MEPs deplore the abuse perpetrated by the country’s authorities on the LGBTQ+ community. This includes the use of domestic laws that allow for LGBTQ+ persons to be provisionally detained without charge or trial for up to six months. The resolution also urges Qatar to strengthen gender equality measures, including abolishing the remnants of the women's guardianship, while stepping up efforts to increase the representation of women in the formal labour market.

For more details, the resolution will be available in full here. It was adopted by show of hands.
 
Wow what a contest, uruguay v s korea
Not a lot from son or Bentancur, but that Korea team is pinging the ball through the uruguay players for fun.

The pace and intensity is amazing, they pass much better than Spurs too.

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Robbo said:
I now also root for the European parliament after this statement:

World Cup in Qatar: FIFA should help compensate families of dead migrant workers
  • MEPs describe the corruption within FIFA as “rampant, systemic and deep-rooted”
  • Parliament calls on Qatar and FIFA to compensate all victims of World Cup preparations
  • FIFA has seriously damaged the image and integrity of global football
With the 2022 FIFA World Cup having kicked off in Qatar, Parliament deplores the deaths of thousands of migrant workers ahead of the tournament.

On Thursday, the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the human rights situation in Qatar. MEPs highlight that the Gulf state won the FIFA World Cup bidding process amidst credible allegations of bribery and corruption. They deplore the deaths of thousands of migrant workers primarily in the construction sector who helped the country prepare for the tournament, as well as all those injured.

Describing the corruption within FIFA as “rampant, systemic and deep-rooted”, MEPs also deplore that the process to award the football World Cup to Qatar in 2010 was not transparent and lacked responsible risk-assessment, and underscore how FIFA has seriously damaged the image and integrity of global football.

Parliament urges EU countries, particularly those with large national football leagues, such as Germany, France, Italy, and Spain, to exert pressure on UEFA and FIFA to fundamentally reform FIFA. This would include introducing democratic and transparent procedures when awarding football World Cups and strictly implementing human rights and sustainability criteria for hosting countries.

To protect athletes and fans and put an end to sportswashing, international sporting events should not be awarded to countries in which fundamental and human rights are violated, and where systematic gender-based violence is prevalent.

All victims of World Cup preparations should be compensated

With an estimated more than 2 million foreign nationals making up some 94% of the country’s workforce, the resolution welcomes the fact that, according to the International Labour Organization, the Qatari government has reimbursed USD 320 million to wage abuse victims through the so-called “Workers’ Support and Insurance Fund”. MEPs regret, however, that many workers in Qatar and their families have been excluded from its scope and call for the fund to be extended to include all those affected since the work related to the FIFA World Cup began, covering also workers’ deaths and other human rights abuses.

They also call on FIFA to contribute to a comprehensive remediation programme for workers’ families as compensation for the conditions to which they have been subjected.

Full investigations needed

Acknowledging the important contribution of migrant workers to Qatar’s economy and the 2022 FIFA World Cup, Parliament urges the Qatari authorities to conduct full investigations into the deaths of migrant workers in the country and to compensate to families in cases where workers died as a result of their working conditions. It also supports Qatar’s recent efforts to improve the conditions and rights of workers, which the international community has raised, but calls for the full implementation of the adopted reforms.

MEPs deplore the abuse perpetrated by the country’s authorities on the LGBTQ+ community. This includes the use of domestic laws that allow for LGBTQ+ persons to be provisionally detained without charge or trial for up to six months. The resolution also urges Qatar to strengthen gender equality measures, including abolishing the remnants of the women's guardianship, while stepping up efforts to increase the representation of women in the formal labour market.

For more details, the resolution will be available in full here. It was adopted by show of hands.
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Bit hypocritical, they condemned the esl from wanting to be independent of uefa and fifa. Obviously the way the esl was presented was absolute gonads. But still.
 
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