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2022 World Cup... gonna ruin the European Season

braineclipse said:
Well it's not the only or deepest problem here. But FIFA at least could be influenced, shamed, pressured into some degree of positive change.

How Qatar treats migrant workers and LGBTQ people is the real problem, or at least one of them.

If a protest or action annoys both of them and doesn't cause real harm to others I'm all for it.

For the record I don't think we disagree at all and looking at my post now it's definitely at least a bit pedantic. Take it as me being difficult, but agreeing with you.
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I wholly agree. The way Qatar treats migrant workers and the LGBTQ+ community is a real problem. It is also, for me, a cultural issue in Qatar's case, specifically a result of an extremist approach to life as dictated by an extremist viewpoint. I must take VERY clear I no more see Qatar's issues as being 'muslim or Islam' as I would see the US's huge issues with black people, racism and abuse of migrant workers (anyone doubting this, read up on Greely, Texas and slaughterhouse employment to get a taste) as being 'Christian' issues. Qatar is governed by an extremist rule/faction. I firmly believe the onus lies with FIFA not to take such money. On the protestor side, I hope the brave voices bringing light to practices we find inhumane will apply LOTS of pressure on the US (for example), as there are plenty of abuses which happen there too.

The difference, of course, is the freedom to protest and live the way you wish; it is why I think regardless of how abhorrent we might find such beliefs, if a country has established that as their operating modus, it is on FIFA to NOT engage/financially support said-nation.

As a football supporter, my hypocrisy is sadly guaranteed. I dislike slave labour yet I wear Spurs and England Nike gear. I think in the modern game, it is pretty tough NOT to be a football hypocrite. I'd say in a western society, it is pretty difficult not to be a hypocrite, as we are all 'benefitting' from someone else's cheap labour and abuse somewhere. Sad but true. The best we can surely do (IMO anyway) is make as many positive choices to support change in such conditions as possible. Personally? I think a great start would be to see Nike lessen their profit margin on a 90 quid shirt (which must surely be somewhere at the 800% mark) in order to see some of that money filter back to the workforce. I would support a ban on their/any firms products for that. Sadly, it is utopian thought. Thus I will do the best I can to support where I can...

Apologies for the long-winded answer ( nothing new! ) and yes we are agreeing and these are great conversations IMO.
 
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