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markysimmo said:
Yep, she is a character too
Nice girl with a great body haha
She can fight too
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Probably her instagram as to why I am a big fan ha, but yes, she seems a great character, she absolutely smashed up O'Connells face while taking plenty of shots herself.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Oddly no, Tanya got me a free pint of Harvey's, I did say it is something she should have done herself.

Seems an odd coincidence to me that those that watch that sport could not fight their way out of a paper bag.
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There's a lot of people who watch copious amounts of porn but aren't any good at sex, hope that analogy helps!
 
superspurs said:
Paddy got a gift of a decision there, had him losing it tbh.

Dana does love him, he's riding the UFC hard at the minute, very defensive of them, if that's because he wants to maximise his earnings then good for him, you see these types all the time in MMA, one bad loss and it could all go to brick, see his scouse colleague Darren Till for just how quick an MMA career can nosedive.

Enjoyed the Warrington fight, good decision on that one from the judges, forgot how dirty Warrington is, blokes a fudging danger in there with his headbutts and rabbit punches.
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Till just has no take down defence... bizarre.

And Meatball got absolutely schooled in her last fight.

I don't blame anyone for milking it, although MMA is more structured on who gets what and who fights who (compared to boxing). I guess it's the stuff outside the organisation he's trying to ramp. Tbh though, I don't think UFC has much problem shifting tickets but anyone that's a 'character' is welcome tbf.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Till just has no take down defence... bizarre.

And Meatball got absolutely schooled in her last fight.

I don't blame anyone for milking it, although MMA is more structured on who gets what and who fights who (compared to boxing). I guess it's the stuff outside the organisation he's trying to ramp. Tbh though, I don't think UFC has much problem shifting tickets but anyone that's a 'character' is welcome tbf.
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UK and Ireland is a big market for UFC, we pretty much sell out any event instantly and I suppose they want that real next big UK fighter to come here more often and sell even more tickets.

I don't think Pimblett is going to be that guy, he's quite honest in saying he is happy to fight lower ranked guys and not go for the title contender fights just yet, think even he knows that is a step too far for him. Till got fast tracked to a title shot he had no business having after missing weight the fight before and has lost 5 of his last 6 fights now, woof! I find Pimblett likeable most of the time, I see he's now getting pelters for defending the UFC fighter pay on his podcast last week, he just so happened to have Dana on as his guest.

UFC 286 is in London in March, could be a good'un, imagine Edwards vs. Usman III will headline with Pimblett co-main.
 
Conor Benn still cobbing on about his drug test

I think he is to thick to realise that regardless of intent athletes are responsible for anything in their body, he failed two tests.

Give it up
 
So now the WBA have ordered Usyk to fight their mandatory now, Daniel Dubois.

So that's two mandatory fights that are potentially blocking the undisputed fight we all want to see.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Conor Benn still cobbing on about his drug test

I think he is to thick to realise that regardless of intent athletes are responsible for anything in their body, he failed two tests.

Give it up
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No expert on doping so it's a question in earnest but are you certain of the bolded part?

I feel that many fighters (and athletes in general) may fall foul due to the surrounding team pushing the limits to get that extra edge...What's to say an overzealous (or bribed) nutritionist / coach hasn't put something in via whatever route without consent nor knowledge of the fighter?

*The unnecessary caveat that I'm not suggesting Benn is innocent, I mean more in the broader sense - Unless you drug test everything yourself how would you be sure you haven't been effectively spiked?
 
spurspinter1 said:
No expert on doping so it's a question in earnest but are you certain of the bolded part?

I feel that many fighters (and athletes in general) may fall foul due to the surrounding team pushing the limits to get that extra edge...What's to say an overzealous (or bribed) nutritionist / coach hasn't put something in via whatever route without consent nor knowledge of the fighter?

*The unnecessary caveat that I'm not suggesting Benn is innocent, I mean more in the broader sense - Unless you drug test everything yourself how would you be sure you haven't been effectively spiked?
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Yeh I'm 99.9% sure that's the rule after following a few cases. Reason being is that it's also the Athletes responsibility to choose their team, associates, GFs, if they decide to go out etc etc

Otherwise it opens up to a deluge of excuses "it wasn't me it was my team" or as I heard of one recently "I don't do coke, but my GF I went down on does".

So the rules in general are, the athlete is solely responsible for what goes in and questioning what's given and also responsibility in who the choose as their associates is on them.

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The principle of strict liability is applied in situations where urine/blood samples collected from an athlete have produced adverse analytical results. It means that each athlete is strictly liable for the substances found in his or her sample, and that an anti-doping rule violation occurs whenever a prohibited substance (or its metabolites or markers) is found, whether or not the athlete intentionally or unintentionally used a prohibited substance or was negligent or otherwise at fault
 
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Grays_1890 said:
Yeh I'm 99.9% sure that's the rule after following a few cases. Reason being is that it's also the Athletes responsibility to choose their team, associates, GFs, if they decide to go out etc etc

Otherwise it opens up to a deluge of excuses "it wasn't me it was my team" or as I heard of one recently "I don't do coke, but my GF I went down on does".

So the rules in general are, the athlete is solely responsible for what goes in and questioning what's given and also responsibility in who the choose as their associates is on them.

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The principle of strict liability is applied in situations where urine/blood samples collected from an athlete have produced adverse analytical results. It means that each athlete is strictly liable for the substances found in his or her sample, and that an anti-doping rule violation occurs whenever a prohibited substance (or its metabolites or markers) is found, whether or not the athlete intentionally or unintentionally used a prohibited substance or was negligent or otherwise at fault
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Appreciate the added detail mate, it's very interesting. Not suggesting there's a better way and I guess it's a collective responsibility of everyone to be vigilant, but unless one has everything under lock and key anything can be tampered with.

This is where I've gone as a potential situation however unlikely it is: Boxer (Benn or whoever) is out having a drink in a public place, water fizzy pop or beer, and someone managed to slip an estrogen tablet (or another banned substance) in to the drink and now the upcoming fight is called off + reputation of the fighter is permanently stained.

It could either be a nutcase randomer in a public setting or someone closer to home, but doesn't seem provable either way...



Back on the heavyweight front, the mandatories + lack of the wanted fights happening are laughably predictable - Who wanted to see Tyson versus a journeyman punching bag and who thinks Dubois Ussyk is a good idea? The sport doesn't have to be all about what the fans want but it's like we are being deliberately antagonised at this stage.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Appreciate the added detail mate, it's very interesting. Not suggesting there's a better way and I guess it's a collective responsibility of everyone to be vigilant, but unless one has everything under lock and key anything can be tampered with.

This is where I've gone as a potential situation however unlikely it is: Boxer (Benn or whoever) is out having a drink in a public place, water fizzy pop or beer, and someone managed to slip an estrogen tablet (or another banned substance) in to the drink and now the upcoming fight is called off + reputation of the fighter is permanently stained.

It could either be a nutcase randomer in a public setting or someone closer to home, but doesn't seem provable either way...



Back on the heavyweight front, the mandatories + lack of the wanted fights happening are laughably predictable - Who wanted to see Tyson versus a journeyman punching bag and who thinks Dubois Ussyk is a good idea? The sport doesn't have to be all about what the fans want but it's like we are being deliberately antagonised at this stage.
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Best thing I can think of is imagine 5 major Mafia families deciding that they would work together in harmony and not look after their own "best interests".

It's never fudging happening.

Fury vs. Usyk will probably go ahead at some point, but a belt or two will probably be vacated and it will lose something I guess, maybe not.
 
spurspinter1 said:
Appreciate the added detail mate, it's very interesting. Not suggesting there's a better way and I guess it's a collective responsibility of everyone to be vigilant, but unless one has everything under lock and key anything can be tampered with.

This is where I've gone as a potential situation however unlikely it is: Boxer (Benn or whoever) is out having a drink in a public place, water fizzy pop or beer, and someone managed to slip an estrogen tablet (or another banned substance) in to the drink and now the upcoming fight is called off + reputation of the fighter is permanently stained.

It could either be a nutcase randomer in a public setting or someone closer to home, but doesn't seem provable either way...



Back on the heavyweight front, the mandatories + lack of the wanted fights happening are laughably predictable - Who wanted to see Tyson versus a journeyman punching bag and who thinks Dubois Ussyk is a good idea? The sport doesn't have to be all about what the fans want but it's like we are being deliberately antagonised at this stage.
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Yeh the testing is far from perfect TBH but equally I do see why they do it this way.

I agree on the HW situation, add the posturing by promoters who have three of the top heavyweights in three different promotions and it's just a mess.

Not much different in otherweights either, watched Inoue knock out Paul Butler yesterday, no know really wants to see that match up
 
Grays_1890 said:
Yeh the testing is far from perfect TBH but equally I do see why they do it this way.

I agree on the HW situation, add the posturing by promoters who have three of the top heavyweights in three different promotions and it's just a mess.

Not much different in otherweights either, watched Inoue knock out Paul Butler yesterday, no know really wants to see that match up
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With you 100%

This has probably been covered but it's tricky being a boxing fan at the minute but like a lot of things, the money ruins it so I should be getting in to the more local scene seeing "lower profile" fights rather than banging my head against the wall at the frustrations of the promoters / boxing associations etc
 
spurspinter1 said:
With you 100%

This has probably been covered but it's tricky being a boxing fan at the minute but like a lot of things, the money ruins it so I should be getting in to the more local scene seeing "lower profile" fights rather than banging my head against the wall at the frustrations of the promoters / boxing associations etc
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Don't know to much about the boxing scene, but amateur cycling is rife with performance enhancing drugs.
 
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