OMT * Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City *

[DubaiSpur]

Also concerned he is not making use of additional coaching resources such as set piece coaches which is something other teams are doing to gain those additional margins.

Yep, exactly. Pep Guardiola has a set piece coach. Arteta has a set piece coach. I think about half the clubs in the league do at this point.

Postecoglou thinks we don't need one.

If he wants to be more dogmatic than the world's greatest managers, that's his right. If he ends up getting sacked over it, that's our right, and unless things change, that's where he's heading unfortunately.

 

[Baleforce]

that's the point i'm making i suppose. Ange's tactics worked in a lower European league, but in the English top flight where even the "lesser" teams have significant financial/management/playing resources, well i'm not so sure. Vardy will be shown up against most of the defences in this league, yet he nearly won them the game today.

if Vardy finishes the season with 1 pl goal it wouldn't surprise me at all, that was the easiest chance of his career

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Not many. But I guess the point is that Ange talks about aiming for a title. His game plan relies on blowing teams away early on.

We’ll never do that to the top teams no more than any other team. That, in my opinion, is a problem with Angeball. It’ll never reach the heights he wants to.

It’s not really that
It’s about creating many high percentage scoring chances and taking some of them.
When you take them is a moot point but in weaker leagues it was earlier in the game for sure
To do what he needs though you need to be able to pull the opposition out of shape and we didn’t do enough pf that depsite racking up so many chances
Our Xg was 1.41 which is really, really poor for the amount of shots and chances

 

[lurker of old]

OK, disappointed but we could and should have put them to the sword in the first half. Not the manager's fault, and the hysteria from some on here - Dubai Spurs being a prime example - is cringeworthy.

 

[glasgowspur]

It wasn't a terrible performance, it was a typical first game of the season against a club with a grudge.
The result is disappointing, but the worst thing is that we allowed them to make it all about that clam.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

They look like they don't fully buy into the system tbh

And that was something Ange flagged last year in the latter part

 

[Jurgen the German]

Also concerned he is not making use of additional coaching resources such as set piece coaches which is something other teams are doing to gain those additional margins.

Yep. Arsenal benefitted massively from improving their set piece play.

 

[tommysvr]

And that was something Ange flagged last year in the latter part

The players definitely buy into it from kick off. It’s just getting them keep it going when we have a setback that is proving to be the problem.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Not many. But I guess the point is that Ange talks about aiming for a title. His game plan relies on blowing teams away early on.

We’ll never do that to the top teams no more than any other team. That, in my opinion, is a problem with Angeball. It’ll never reach the heights he wants to.

Talk of aiming for the title is fanciful unless we sign much better players. We’ve got a good chance of top 4 but I fear Emery is the better manager and will outsmart Ange over the course of a season. Europa League is winnable if we sort out our suicidal defending.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Don’t you think you amongst many others are having a massive over reaction?

If after 10 games it’s like the end of last season I’d agree…

But to say he hasn’t fixed anything when we know the Achilles heel was set pieces and counters and what we saw today was a CB… a World Cup winner and let’s be honest, a fudging top defender literally walk past his man and leave him to score. How does Ange change that? That’s nothing to do with tactics, it’s shockingly weka play from a top player

But… if it carries in then I’d be concerned. The way we concede tonight though was nothing about the manager and it changed the game

A good tactical system is about minimising the chances for that sort of mistake to occur mate.

There were multiple weaknesses from last season. Most were on display again today.

- Passing aimlessly around the box with no end product - check.

- Playing for only 45 minutes a game - check.

- Waaay too open and exposed on counters - check.

- Too difficult to beat the press - check.

- concede too many easy chances - check.

- Set piece disasters - Leicester had, what, 3 corners the whole game?

If you give him ten games this season and the same things keep happening, that's about 40 games in total of the exact same trend. He's already on 30+ games of this. How much more leeway can he, or should he, get?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yep. Arsenal benefitted massively from improving their set piece play.

Every team has
It’s a fact that can’t be argued with

 

[tommysvr]

Not many. But I guess the point is that Ange talks about aiming for a title. His game plan relies on blowing teams away early on.

We’ll never do that to the top teams no more than any other team. That, in my opinion, is a problem with Angeball. It’ll never reach the heights he wants to.

Come on mate you wrote him off before he even started, so now every issue is a chance to prove you were right. And I’m not saying you care about being right for the sake of it…just that you’ll find issues because you never gave it a chance.

 

[Baleforce]

It wasn't a terrible performance, it was a typical first game of the season against a club with a grudge.
The result is disappointing, but the worst thing is that we allowed them to make it all about that clam.

every other team on the planet has a grudge against us

 

[tommysvr]

OK, disappointed but we could and should have put them to the sword in the first half. Not the manager's fault, and the hysteria from some on here - Dubai Spurs being a prime example - is cringeworthy.

Wait til you read what he thinks about Levy.

 

[Jordinho]

Yep, exactly. Pep Guardiola has a set piece coach. Arteta has a set piece coach. I think about half the clubs in the league do at this point.

Postecoglou thinks we don't need one.

If he wants to be more dogmatic than the world's greatest managers, that's his right. If he ends up getting sacked over it, that's our right, and unless things change, that's where he's heading unfortunately.

On all our corners today you could see Romero lining up just behind another Tottenham player, basically using them as a shield. That's clearly something pre planned to gain an advantage. Just a shame that most of our 13 corner kicks got nowhere near him.

A set piece coach often gets mentioned when we concede, but they usually deal with attacking set pieces.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

A good tactical system is about minimising the chances for that sort of mistake to occur mate.

There were multiple weaknesses from last season. Most were on display again today.

- Passing aimlessly around the box with no end product - check.

- Playing for only 45 minutes a game - check.

- Waaay too open and exposed on counters - check.

- Too difficult to beat the press - check.

- concede too many easy chances - check.

- Set piece disasters - Leicester had, what, 3 corners the whole game?

If you give him ten games this season and the same things keep happening, that's about 40 games in total of the exact same trend. He's already on 30+ games of this. How much more leeway can he, or should he, get?

They had NO chances before that NONE… so the system was fine

No manager in the world can account for that kind of error with any system

They had 3 corners, won one and headed it tamely over. We actually had some of our best chances from corners

The rest of what you said id like to see some numbers on because I didn’t see that at all

If we had won that 2-1 after that error from Romero the noise would be different
1-0 even TBF because they wouldn’t have done anything of he hadn’t fudged up

 

[Robspur12]

Wait til you read what he thinks about Levy.

No need to get so personal against posters. You might disagree with them, that's your right. But equally it's theirs to say what they want without posters going into them two footed and studs up.

 

[SubZero]

They look like they don't fully buy into the system tbh

I don't know, it looked good in the first half. I mean, we're not talking magic here, just finding your passes, make yourself available, win the ball back, move the ball forward, create chances, let the playmakers make play. Basic football I'd say. Suddenly we stop doing it, give the game away (it happens to every team), get the compulsory goal against and fall apart. One area we haven't improved a single proton is mentally. We are still incredibly weak, and that is what has cost us at least a title and maybe a CL trophy in the last years. We have a squad good enough, player-wise, to at least win a domestic cup. In any system worth a damn. If Ange says we're aiming for the title, fine. My wish would be to concentrate on improving and focus on what every man and his dog can see.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Come on mate you wrote him off before he even started, so now every issue is a chance to prove you were right. And I’m not saying you care about being right for the sake of it…just that you’ll find issues because you never gave it a chance.

Deano is one of the most reasonable, level headed posters in this place.

 

[billyiddo]

The coach we brought in this summer who had previously worked at Hibs works on defending set pieces I read (having done so at Hibs and improving their record in that area over the time he was there) just because we don't have a specialist 'defending set pieces coach' doesn't mean it isn't worked on