General Transfer Discussion Thread

[thejazzman]

You have answered your own point, how can he recreate that form here when he's only been a bit part player. In my view he's played well when given a run of games and scored some big goals (Chelsea X 2, Southampton winner) and generally looked fairly creative when playing and hasn't been afraid to shoot from distance which we lacked for a long time.

Have we lacked that? Townsend, Bale, Van der Varrt, Eriksen...I recall us taking a lot more long shots than most in recent years.

 

[NWND]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Its a massive squad for Poch to assess and we're stacked for each position, even if some of you have doubts over the ability of some of the players making up the sqaud, think about it. We can have a 23 man squad of over 21 players, right?

Goalkeepers

1) Lloris
2) Freidel
3) Archer

Centrebacks

4) Vertonghen
5) Kaboul
6) Chiriches
7) Dawson
Veljkovic (U21)

Right backs

8) Walker
9) Naughton
Fredericks (U21)

Left backs

10) Assou-Ekotto
11) Rose
12) Fryers

Central midfielders

13) Sandro
14) Capoue
15) Dembele
16) Paulinho
17) Carroll
Bentaleb (U21)

Attacking midfielders

18) Eriksen
19) Holtby
20) Chadli
21) Sigurdsson
22) Falque
Pritchard (U21)
Cebellos (U21)

Forwards/wingers

24) Adebayor
25) Soldado
26) Lamela
27) Lennon
28) Townsend
Kane (U21)

I might have even missed some there!

 

[Finney Is Back]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I'm not so sure about assessing the squad. Poch has played us a few times and will have had us scouted - he'll know our strengths and our left bac… weaknesses.

He's just a manager than prefers developing players, rather than buying them in. He said at the start of last summer that he doesn't like signing more than 3 players a year.

IMO we've already decided who we are signing and are working away at the deals. In fact I would even suggest that it'll be Davies, Scheiderlin and Lovren (I think the CB might initially have been Moreno) and we are just in a fairly drawn out process of price bartering (Soton probably want to get a few more in before letting more go).

I disagree. While his Southampton team has played us on a few a few occasions, the system that we were playing was very different to the one that he wants us to adopt. He might have an idea on our players technical capability on the ball (which in most cases is very good) but he would not have been able to gain an informed opinion on whether the players have the intelligence or the desire and work ethic to train for and carry out his preferred system. IMO this view can only be properly formed by getting on the training pitch and coaching the players.

I am very pleased that we haven't dipped into the transfer market yet. It shows that the new boss wants to have a proper look at the players and not potentially waste money just because he can.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I think you've got everyone apart from Obika and Khumalo.

It's a 25 man squad though.

To me the ideal squad (for a team competing in Europe) is 2+1 for every position - two senior players and an emerging youth player (up to three of whom can be over 21).

Ignoring upgrading anyone then, to get down to size, all we'd have to do is:

- Defence - sell BAE and Khumalo
- Midfield - sell Falque and Siggy, loan Carroll
- Forwards - sell Obika

That's losing 6 players, 5 of whom spent all of last season out on loan. And that gets us down to 22 + youth.

Then we can start looking at one-in, one-out upgrades involving the likes of Rose, Kaboul, Dembele and Lennon etc.

 

[Nezza]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I think Jordan Archer may still qualify as U21 for the coming season.

 

[rosenthal]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

A lot of the players people think are U21, aren't so anymore (Fredericks, Hall, Fryers, Carroll, Mason, Ceballos, Obika)
Complete overview below, players in bold are seniors the rest U21, players in () are loaned out. Khumalo has a long term injury btw.

LLORIS, FRIEDEL
Archer, McGee, Voss, Glover, Whiteman
KHUMALO, (Hall), KABOUL, DAWSON, CHIRICHES, VERTONGHEN, FRYERS
Lesniak, Ball, Carter-Vickers, Maghoma
FREDERICKS, WALKER, NAUGHTON, ASSOU-EKOTTO, ROSE
Walker-Peters, A.McQueen, Ogilvie, (Ward)
PAULINHO, SANDRO, CAPOUE, DEMBELE, CARROLL, HOLTBY
Walkes, McEneff, Winks, Veljkovic, Bentaleb, Lameiras, Amos
LENNON, CEBALLOS, SIGURDSSON, MASON, ERIKSEN, CHADLI, TOWNSEND, FALQUE
McEvoy, Sonupe, Onomah, Miller, Edwards, Goodard, Yahaya?, Azzaoui, Gomelt, (A.Pritchard)
LAMELA, SOLDADO, ADEBAYOR, OBIKA
Coulibaly, Harrison, Akindayini, Coulthirst, Kane, Oduwa


As you can see we have a very large senior squad, 31 players - 6 need to be loaned out or sold for us to reach the 25 man limit. One more to leave for every player coming in.

 

[rosenthal]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I think Jordan Archer may still qualify as U21 for the coming season.

Yes, Jordan Archer i born in 1993. That's the last year of U21 coming season - same age as Harry Kane, Alex Pritchard

 

[Finney Is Back]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

A lot of the players people think are U21, aren't so anymore (Fredericks, Hall, Fryers, Carroll, Mason, Ceballos, Obika)
Complete overview below, players in bold are seniors the rest U21, players in () are loaned out. Khumalo has a long term injury btw.

LLORIS, FRIEDEL
Archer, McGee, Voss, Glover, Whiteman
KHUMALO, (Hall), KABOUL, DAWSON, CHIRICHES, VERTONGHEN, FRYERS
Lesniak, Ball, Carter-Vickers, Maghoma
FREDERICKS, WALKER, NAUGHTON, ASSOU-EKOTTO, ROSE
Walker-Peters, A.McQueen, Ogilvie, (Ward)
PAULINHO, SANDRO, CAPOUE, DEMBELE, CARROLL, HOLTBY
Walkes, McEneff, Winks, Veljkovic, Bentaleb, Lameiras, Amos
LENNON, CEBALLOS, SIGURDSSON, MASON, ERIKSEN, CHADLI, TOWNSEND, FALQUE
McEvoy, Sonupe, Miller, Edwards, Goodard, Yahaya?, Onomah, Azzaoui, Gomelt, A.Pritchard
LAMELA, SOLDADO, ADEBAYOR, OBIKA
Coulibaly, Harrison, Akindayini, Coulthirst, Kane, Oduwa

As you can see we have a very large senior squad, 31 players - 6 need to be loaned out or sold for us to reach the 25 man limit. One more to leave for every player coming in.

I would say that of those you bolded the following would 'expect' a first team squad place either here or somewhere else in the PL:

LLORIS, FRIEDEL
KABOUL, DAWSON, CHIRICHES, VERTONGHEN, FRYERS
WALKER, NAUGHTON, ASSOU-EKOTTO, ROSE
PAULINHO, SANDRO, CAPOUE, DEMBELE, CARROLL, HOLTBY
LENNON, SIGURDSSON, ERIKSEN, CHADLI, TOWNSEND
LAMELA, SOLDADO, ADEBAYOR,

Which leaves sale/loan/release for the following (I have put what I think will happen in brackets):
KHUMALO (sale/release)
FREDERICKS (loan)
CEBALLOS (loan)
MASON (sale/release)
FALQUE (sale/release)
OBIKA (sale/release)

So after that little lot it's one out and one in.

Of course if any of the above 6 impress in training & pre-season then we may see them coming into the squad and displacing one of the bigger boys who will then be sold.

Of the bigger boys I think at least one of Ekotto or Rose will go (and possibly both).
At least one of Dawson and Kaboul will also go (and possibly both)
At least one of Capoue or Sandro will go (but not both)
Sigurdsson appears to be on his way out.
We then may sell one of our centre forwards (probably Soldado) if we decided we want an upgrade.

That then leaves us clear to sign at least one fullback, at least one centre half, a defensive midfield player, an attacking midfield player and (for the right deal) perhaps also a striker.

 

[P.D.]

Have we lacked that? Townsend, Bale, Van der Varrt, Eriksen...I recall us taking a lot more long shots than most in recent years.

Townsend never actually scores though and VDV didnt shoot from outside the area much. Bale usually shoots on the run rather than when a move is built up around the area. Sig is the only one who does, even Eriksen prefers to shoot more as part of a break than slower build up.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I would say that of those you bolded the following would 'expect' a first team squad place either here or somewhere else in the PL:

LLORIS, FRIEDEL
KABOUL, DAWSON, CHIRICHES, VERTONGHEN, FRYERS
WALKER, NAUGHTON, ASSOU-EKOTTO, ROSE
PAULINHO, SANDRO, CAPOUE, DEMBELE, CARROLL, HOLTBY
LENNON, SIGURDSSON, ERIKSEN, CHADLI, TOWNSEND
LAMELA, SOLDADO, ADEBAYOR,

Which leaves sale/loan/release for the following (I have put what I think will happen in brackets):
KHUMALO (sale/release)
FREDERICKS (loan)
CEBALLOS (loan)
MASON (sale/release)
FALQUE (sale/release)
OBIKA (sale/release)

So after that little lot it's one out and one in.

Of course if any of the above 6 impress in training & pre-season then we may see them coming into the squad and displacing one of the bigger boys who will then be sold.

Of the bigger boys I think at least one of Ekotto or Rose will go (and possibly both).
At least one of Dawson and Kaboul will also go (and possibly both)
At least one of Capoue or Sandro will go (but not both)
Sigurdsson appears to be on his way out.
We then may sell one of our centre forwards (probably Soldado) if we decided we want an upgrade.

That then leaves us clear to sign at least one fullback, at least one centre half, a defensive midfield player, an attacking midfield player and (for the right deal) perhaps also a striker.

Why would you want to get rid of one of Sandro or Capoue? We don't even have a young player to cover DM now Livermore has been released.

You no more want one DM than you want one CF or one GK. One of Sherwood's biggest failures was falling out with both Capoue and Sandro and having to try and set up without a DM.

Poch has had this thing about not signing more than 3 players a year, so while I can up to 8 out (mostly strays) I don't think there will be as many as 4 or 5 in.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

Why would you want to get rid of one of Sandro or Capoue? We don't even have a young player to cover DM now Livermore has been released.

You no more want one DM than you want one CF or one GK. One of Sherwood's biggest failures was falling out with both Capoue and Sandro and having to try and set up without a DM.

Poch has had this thing about not signing more than 3 players a year, so while I can up to 8 out (mostly strays) I don't think there will be as many as 4 or 5 in.

I didn't say I WANTED to get rid of one of Capoue or Sandro. I said that it's what I thought would happen. I think Pochettino will look to keep one of them and sign another one. Happy to be wrong though.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Re: Levy…Baldini…Poch…SOMEBODY - pull your finger out!!

I didn't say I WANTED to get rid of one of Capoue or Sandro. I said that it's what I thought would happen. I think Pochettino will look to keep one of them and sign another one. Happy to be wrong though.

Ok, sorry - I hadn't read that bit accurately.

I don't think either of Sandro or Capoue are unhappy (now Sherwood has gone) and I don't think we'd be able to get better quality replacements. They are also versatile enough to at least be able to play next to each other in the deeper 2 if need be. IMO it would be fairly pointless to 'twist' on either of them.

We've also not really been linked to any DMs this window. The links have been more with deeper sitting ballplayers like Scheiderlin and Claise. Which I would think suggests its more Dembele or Paulinho who are at risk.

 

[Raziel]

Townsend never actually scores though and VDV didnt shoot from outside the area much. Bale usually shoots on the run rather than when a move is built up around the area. Sig is the only one who does, even Eriksen prefers to shoot more as part of a break than slower build up.

Niko, Bale, JD (believe he has the some record re goals from outside the box in PL), VDV, Eriksen and random efforts from Siggy/Townsend/Benny/Rose/Walker ... We haven't had a team that is afraid to shoot from outside the box for the last few years.

Back to the point, don't really see a fit for Siggy, likeable guy, just can't see him keeping other players out of the team.

 

[AberYid]

Huddlestone loved a shot from distance too Also we had Vlad, Holtby, Walker and Sandro score from distance last season. 3 out of Benny's 4 league goals for us were from distance too.

 

[P.D.]

Huddlestone loved a shot from distance too Also we had Vlad, Holtby, Walker and Sandro score from distance last season. 3 out of Benny's 4 league goals for us were from distance too.

Scoring occasionally from distance is different from shooting regularly at specific times i.e. during slow build up rather than on the counter attack which is what most players we've had the last few years have done.

Hudd in his later years pretty much gave up shooting and went for the disguised pass instead.

 

[Jordinho]

Napoli have revived their interest in Tottenham midfielder Sandro and are keen to arrange a deal that would see Valon Behrami move to White Hart Lane.

Sources in Italy say Napoli boss Rafael Benitez has made Sandro his principal target for the remainder of the transfer window.

While Sandro remains a highly valued player at Tottenham, the club’s hierarchy may consider a deal if it will give them more freedom to sign the players they covet.

Sandro, 25, has previously expressed an interest in moving to Serie A. Behrami, 29, has experience of the Premier League, having spent three seasons with West Ham from 2008-11.

Spurs are keen to sell as well as buy this summer and both Gylfi Sigurdsson and Michael Dawson are on the list of players considered surplus to requirements by head coach Mauricio Pochettino.

Yet there are few players in the Spurs squad capable of playing the holding midfield role as well as Sandro, a point likely to be made to his bosses by Pochettino.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/tottenham-transfer-news-napolis-valon-behrami-could-join-spurs-as-rafa-benitez-revives-sandro-interest-9611630.html

 

[Gutter Boy]

Yet there are few players in the Spurs squad capable of playing the holding midfield role as well as Sandro, a point likely to be made to his bosses by Pochettino.

Yet there are few players in the Spurs world capable of playing the holding midfield role as well as Sandro, and none available for less than £25m

 

[indianspur]

Yet there are few players in the Spurs world capable of playing the holding midfield role as well as Sandro, and none available for less than £25m

I would have had Gareth Barry on a free......he can do what Sandro does and probably better too. At least he stays fit and is available, that's a plus for starters

Surely your mate Baldini can find others, for much less than 25 mill as well, if not I'd seriously question the bloke's abilities as a dof

 

[indianspur]

Jedinak looks just as effective as Sandro, he is not going to cost anywhere near 25 mill

 

[Gutter Boy]

Wow - I can't believe how much people have turned on Sandro, just because he was injured for a bit then Timmeh was threatened by/a dingdong to him. Gary Barry - really?!

The guy can be immense, the best player in our squad bar maybe Lloris.