Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
He could probably come on for 15 to 20 mins at the end of games against defenders who are now tired. I don't think he would have any positive impact starting games however.
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Will Lankshear
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Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
Yeah that id like
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Scarlett is weak physically and slow. Lankshear (and Veliz) are much more powerful, which equips them far better for the adult game.
I think Scarlett's hope might be converting into another position (WF, ACM?), he's not really a #9 in a modern system
Glenda's Legs
Cecil Poynton
Or maybe we are trying to manage and protect our up and coming youth players. We supporters have no idea how adapted they are to senior level football. Son can take the criticism, and should know how to deal with opponents. But for a youngster it could really impact them if the team has a bad game and they are not suddenly the saviour that everyone expects of them.
Obviously I don’t know - maybe Ange is wrong, we know he has made some unorthodox decisions and there are question marks over how he has dealt with players like Spence - but I’m not convinced that expecting Lankshear to be able to step in now is reasonable . Would he have performed against Tamworth? I think there is a wholly unrealistic expectation that he will play and score goals. That’s a huge amount of pressure to put on a youth player.
Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
Scarlett is faster than Lankshear and Veliz. He is probably just as powerful as Lankshear at present (certainly knows how to use his body better than Lankshear does at the moment).
Scarlett's movement off the ball and decision making is better than Lankshears
Veliz is much more powerful than either Scarlett or Lankshear
Mr Gogolak
Espen Baardsen
Neither do coaches. There's only one way to find out. I guess you could argue that it's easier to come into a team when the results are there, but even that's debatable. When you're an attacking player, it's not so easy to showcase your skills when the game is already won, for instance.
At some point, you have to take a chance. At some point, it's sink or swim and I can't think of a world class player who's been wasted because he's been starting games. These things aren't decided on paper. A kid will always have weaknesses but there's nothing left to learn at some point in the U-21s.
SteveAWOL
Paul Stewart
A pity that Lankshear didn’t get the full 2nd half against Southampton when we were 5-0 up (or at least 30 minutes) instead of merely relieving Solanke for just 8 minutes. As seemed like as safe an opportunity as any to see whether he’s anywhere near ready for PL football by playing against it’s worst team in years.
Finney Is Back
Colin Calderwood
Not convinced playing a player in a game already easily won really gives much indication of that. There was zero intensity left in the game once we were 5 up.
glorygloryeze
Tom Huddlestone
But the issue was that it is as much about giving the likes of Solanke a much-needed rest as well..
This is what I was suggesting recently that Ange should have been doing in an attempt to lighten Solankes work load - which you didn't agree he was ready for
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Bullet
Colin Calderwood
You lot are arguing who would be most effective out of Son/Lanks/Scarlett/Veliz but that is the wrong question.
It is hugely unlikely ANY of those guys could score goals in the Prem right now at #9.
The point is, Lanks/Scarlett/Veliz can fight for the ball, win headers, cause chaos, generally be very fit and interested for 45 mins and thus bring on fit Son/Richie/Solanke to play the other 45 as also very fit and interested players.
Currently we just have broken players staggering around. Obviously with a clean slate the senior players are better, but we need to use the kids as rough diamonds to break up the defenders and cause problems.
It is hugely unlikely ANY of those guys could score goals in the Prem right now at #9.
The point is, Lanks/Scarlett/Veliz can fight for the ball, win headers, cause chaos, generally be very fit and interested for 45 mins and thus bring on fit Son/Richie/Solanke to play the other 45 as also very fit and interested players.
Currently we just have broken players staggering around. Obviously with a clean slate the senior players are better, but we need to use the kids as rough diamonds to break up the defenders and cause problems.
Muttley
Ronnie Rosenthal
Exactly, using just 2 subs in yesterday's game was terrible management. Poor Porro was totally ineffective and needed to be taken off. Sarr who hasn't completed a 90 in 2025 and been subbed early, looked fresh when he came off. He was being quite effective as well and had the run on their midfielders. As for Olusesi. He'll be all smiles with his manager, but 3 months on the bench and not a single minute on the pitch won't be amusing him. He'd rather be on loan and come back to the next manager would be my guess.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Olusesi isn't old enough to go on loan yet.
Bedfordspurs
Terry Naylor
For me it’s that simple
DCL did it to us
We have players who can do a simialr job and it’s really key to moving the ball up the pitch
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Given our run of result, and the fact most have been 1 goal margins, when do you think that was possible? Genuine question. I like Will too but feel they must see things we don't otherwise it would've been done?
Bloody hell Steff is there anything you're actually willing to criticise him on?
It's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy imv - our games are tight > so we can't rotate out starting players > the starting players become fatigued > fatigued players are more susceptible to injury > fatigued/injured first team players mean it's harder to play our game > our games are tight as a result > we can't rest/rotate players
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thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Ah mate, that's just silliness! You clearly, and I mean clearly, don't read everything I write/say Billy. Read a few of the back and forths with Muttley and Braineclipse today for recent examples.
What I WILL say is that I have always had a tendency to speak up for an underdog when their side is being smashed to pieces by narratives, tropes, and out-of-context situations. You'll remember I was that way with Poch. It might be a personal failing, who knows my friend, but it is my nature. I think what I can say with Ange is that when a decent discussion is pitched my way on him, and when it isn't blaming him for everything from injuries to arrogance to simply 'being Australian out of his league' I am more than up for discussing his faults.
p.s. what a weird comment of mine to say that off the back of. I agree that I'd like to have seen Will. What I DON'T know is why we haven't! And personally, I am working with the theory that Ange is not ignoring Will simply to be a c u n t, or is 'an idiot', or is being 'arrogant' or any of that, I genuinely don't know the answer beyond the fact he must feel he is not as ready as we think and that playing him won't help us!
Ah it's narratives tropes and out of context situations as opposed to fair criticisms? Gotcha
thfcsteff
Vic Buckingham
Tellk you what Billy, if you want to go there, if you want to have a discussion and are actually interested to see if I have any balance, try me on more than one liners.
If, as it increasingly seems, you just want to call me out as an Ange apologist with no measure, then it looks like we aren't going to get anywhere mi amigo.
As someone once said...Budda? Harry Dean Stanton? Dennis Rodman?...someone's opinions of me are their business.
p.s, when I said 'narratives and tropes' I was referring to the more parochial comments about his heritage and experience, as well as the assertion by some critics (from the start of the season) that 'Angeball' has no real 'plan' and is some harum-scarum 'attack attack' system with zero thought beyond flooding the oppostion half. There again, perhaps you agree with all of that? I have no idea.
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Kandi1977
Vic Buckingham
We've had this 'why doesn't he just play the kids?' thing going since forever, under every manager. And there lies the clue. Every manager. That ought to tell something, unless people think Jol, Redknapp, Villas Boas, Poch, Mourinho, Conte and Ange are all totally clueless.