Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
yeah, if you want to bring facts into it, still feels like we beat them more often than not though, those defeats feel like aberrations, I’ve forgotten them
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yeah, if you want to bring facts into it, still feels like we beat them more often than not though, those defeats feel like aberrations, I’ve forgotten them
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Agree as I've written a few times even after a win it was a joyless experience going to a game.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Ian Walker
Most of those managers wanted to beat teams rather than wait till they fell asleep and nick the game, no one can question Conte's will to win or his record but his style did not fit what a lot of our fans expect. There are many who will want to win at all cost and were happy while we were winning and I expect the same will apply to Postercoglus form, but I dont want to spend time watching us straggle results, I go to being entertained, if that means not be ambitious so be it.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
That’s on the clubs who recruited managers as much as him
He couldn’t do anymore
Neither had Conte or Jose and they both fudging failed mate.
The piece here you are missing is when everything wasn't handed to them on a plate, neither of those "great" managers could cut it, when they had to compete on anything like even footing or heaven forbid, at a disadvantage they were clueless, threw everyone under the bus, created a totally toxic atmosphere and generally got schooled by managers who we will forget they ever even existed in 5 years.
There are no "great managers", there are managers that are a "great fit", Pep would fail miserably at Spurs, Conte/Jose were bad fits.
Ange has a long way to go, but not tinkling on the club/players, actually playing sensible formations, actually looking at what players are doing on the training ground and rewarding them, crazily enough seems a huge step up from the brick of the last 3 years.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
When I said the other week about the players being happy and speaking outwardly about it, it was met with some cold water in that people said thats the start for everyone and its the honeymoon period. There might be some truth to that but I don't think its as universal as made out, ETH for example is still relatively new to Man United, this should still be his honeymoon and the difference in the players, the mood, the general feel could not be any different.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
“We won” was often preceded with “It was a tough watch but..”
demotw
Nicola Berti
not quite, Mou at Porto winning the CL suggested he could. He lost something down the line however, Conte I agree with. Could argue Wenger for them lot and fergie were great managers in how they revolutionised so I disagree there are no great managers, however I 100% agree with your point about fit especially if you want fans behind you when it’s not going so well and in that Mou/Contes style was not a good fit at all
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Yesterday was the beginning of my 25th season as a season ticket holder and I have to thank Ange and the players for delivering a great team performance. Yesterday at the Lane was just fun, something that has been missing for a while.
It was fun, not just because we outclassed United, although it helped, but it was the way we played. Angeball, long may it continue.
It was fun, not just because we outclassed United, although it helped, but it was the way we played. Angeball, long may it continue.
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parklane1
Tony Galvin
From the talk i get at the games most fans still want/are happy with that. The ENIC out phalanx are few in number overall and like the old saying " empty vessels make the most noise".
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
My nephew said there were a few "We are lucky to have Fab" despite the club bringing him in, and a few "We are going to fail Ange, we always do". Thats the newest twist on things
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Muppets have to be Muppets.
Bishop
John Lacy
If you want to be the dominant club you need dominant spending which goes against your MO. So you can't have both. Soz.
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markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Not only that, but there are managers that are a "great fit" at a "certain time period". And there are managers who have traits that fits who you want to be right now and suits a particular setup, and where the club and manager can grow apart. A "great" league 2 manager does not necessarily suit the Premiership, there are different challenges, different personalities (even within the same players) and goals/motivation will change.
No, there are no managers that are "great" in the sense that they will guarantee success. Hell, there aren't even players that can do that, unless you have 8-10 of them. Having Poch and the group of players he had while the club was in the mental state it was back then, is like winning the lottery. When the first prize is 50 quid. Play the same numbers, the outcome will be different. Being static and hiding in the same place each time is what kills you. But it sure was entertaining.
At the end as in other branches of life, the club with the most money and biggest guns usually wins.
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Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I think we always over play the levels between greatness of managers in football. There are obvious great managers, absolutely no doubt but its all relative to the situation that each manager finds themselves in and the job and expectations. For me what John Still did at Dagenham & Redbridge between 2004-13 was up there with anything anyone has done in the game, working nearly 7 days a week to find players in Sunday league and Essex Olympian and taking the club from conference to league one. Thats greatness as much as having an infrastructure money and winning the PL. Whilst when you look at the chequered history of Ranieri, I would not have him as a "Great" even though he won the PL. All opinions I suppose
Absolutely, and there is a difference between being "great" and doing "great things". I may be bad at defining words, but for me "being great" implies repeatability, that you possess characteristics and skill that enable you to do it again. If not it's just variable degrees of luck. Someone has to win said lottery, though having 80% of the tickets increases your chances. And while you could argue there are no such thing as luck, in a game where woodworks and VAR can be the difference between a good and bad result I cannot find a better word. I think it's safe to say that Ranieri couldn't repeat what he (or rather the teams around them, including us) did for Leicester even if he had 20 seasons.
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Grays_1890
Chris Jones
I'm also a huge believer in right man right place right time which you alluded to earlier. I think footballs absolutely littered with it.
Even more and to the core (ta-da), football is pretty much built upon it..!