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Transfer Rumour Thread
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You are still sitting on the fence though. Do you believe Levy lied?
"I dont know"? How can you not know what you believe. Not know what happened, but what you believe happened?
You stated that you will give Berbatov "the benefit of the doubt"......which means that Levy lied surely? Why cant you say it?
SUIYHA
Scott Parker
BTW - It was in the interests of Ramos to lie in the earlier quote about him not being on strike. Admitting he'd refused to play would have completely fudged us in the negotiations for his transfer fee. Once he'd gone, what we all knew already was confirmed by Levy.
This is completely different from the Modric scenario. Modric asked Harry if he could be excluded against City, Harry told him to get on with it, so he did. Ever since, he's worked hard and been one of our best players. Berbatov on the other hand spent a whole year sulking. You could see it in his body language. He'd regularly have a go at his own team mates who were clearly intimidated by him. He completely undermined Jol's authority by refusing to get warmed up against Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Jol was already a dead man walking because of the Ramos fiasco, but this was the final nail in the coffin. Mancini stamped down his authority on Tevez by declaring him as finished at the club and kicking him out for several months until he came back with a grovelling apology, but Jol didn't have Aguero and Balotelli to step in, this was his only world class player. Then after the season had started and we still hadn't sold him, Berbatov outright refused to play in two games. Two games that he was contractually obliged to play in. Disgraceful behaviour. Modric asked his boss if he could have the day off since he thought his work was finished. He was told that he had to come in and so he did. Berbatov just didn't turn up to work when his boss wanted him there. Entirely different situations.
3 key reasons why we should never re-sign him:
1. Lennon, Defoe, Bale, King, Dawson and Assou-Ekotto probably won't be too keen to see him back, after the manner that he left and the way he used to constantly have a go at them during games when they fudged up.
2. We would look like absolute mugs having him back after what he did. You reap what you sow. What sort of message would that send out to Modric/Bale etc? brick on the club, do whatever you can to leave, it's ok, we'll have you back in a couple of years if it doesn't work out.
3. He doesn't even fit into our style of play. Our best football this season has been based around pace, unpredictable movement and stamina. Berbatov offers none of these things.
This is completely different from the Modric scenario. Modric asked Harry if he could be excluded against City, Harry told him to get on with it, so he did. Ever since, he's worked hard and been one of our best players. Berbatov on the other hand spent a whole year sulking. You could see it in his body language. He'd regularly have a go at his own team mates who were clearly intimidated by him. He completely undermined Jol's authority by refusing to get warmed up against Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Jol was already a dead man walking because of the Ramos fiasco, but this was the final nail in the coffin. Mancini stamped down his authority on Tevez by declaring him as finished at the club and kicking him out for several months until he came back with a grovelling apology, but Jol didn't have Aguero and Balotelli to step in, this was his only world class player. Then after the season had started and we still hadn't sold him, Berbatov outright refused to play in two games. Two games that he was contractually obliged to play in. Disgraceful behaviour. Modric asked his boss if he could have the day off since he thought his work was finished. He was told that he had to come in and so he did. Berbatov just didn't turn up to work when his boss wanted him there. Entirely different situations.
3 key reasons why we should never re-sign him:
1. Lennon, Defoe, Bale, King, Dawson and Assou-Ekotto probably won't be too keen to see him back, after the manner that he left and the way he used to constantly have a go at them during games when they fudged up.
2. We would look like absolute mugs having him back after what he did. You reap what you sow. What sort of message would that send out to Modric/Bale etc? brick on the club, do whatever you can to leave, it's ok, we'll have you back in a couple of years if it doesn't work out.
3. He doesn't even fit into our style of play. Our best football this season has been based around pace, unpredictable movement and stamina. Berbatov offers none of these things.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
The guy doesn't work hard enough upfront to play for a top level team.
He looks great in highlights but the rest of the team has to carry him for the rest of the game.
He'll be off to Anzhi for the money.
He looks great in highlights but the rest of the team has to carry him for the rest of the game.
He'll be off to Anzhi for the money.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
That's a bit gay
Crab.C.Nesbitt
Bobby Mimms
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Slow. Very slow. Also very, very easy to spark into conflict, since both of them seem to need to be big fishes in small ponds. Plus, both of them would keep dropping deep, so who'd stay up-front? Nah. I loved Berba, still have a grudging longing for the guy, but we can't play him and VdV together.
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
Think we need some pace up front, Berbs would be a quality option to have though.
If we did go back in for Berbatov - and I think it highly unlikely that we will - then I would be forced to support him, even if grudgingly. But I sincerely hope that I won't be put in that position.
Modric had a brief wobble in the summer and, when it was over, he knuckled down. Berbatov had a wobble after his first season, wasn't allowed to leave and he too knuckled down. But then he really dug his feet in during his second summer at the club. Turned the atmosphere around the changing room toxic and threatened to leave on a Webster.
When Modric has reached that level of disrespect for his team mates, the fans and the club as a whole, then he will be deserving of similar contempt.
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africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
modric didnt refuse to play against united.
and lord, even though he is still one hell of a talent i would be shocked if we took berbatov back after metaphorically dingdonging all over the club
and lord, even though he is still one hell of a talent i would be shocked if we took berbatov back after metaphorically dingdonging all over the club
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Modric was worse.
Modric signed a Six Year contract recently and committed his future but then changed his mind as he got offered more money, Berbatov left us because we didn't show any ambition and He joined Manchester United, A United side that was full of quality and miles ahead of us.
Modric wanted to join Chelsea that had an ageing squad with lots of pension players and the fact that we were going to overtake them soon made Modric's desire harder to swallow. He also wanted to join our biggest rivals in my opinion.
Why would a Berbasex and VDV partnership need pace when you have Lennon and Bale flying down the wings, If opposing sides push up to try and pressure Berbasex + VDV then we can play the killer ball to release Bale and VDV. If they play deep to counter Bale and Lennon then it creates space for Berbasex and Rafa to work there magic.
If Berbatov is available for between ?ú5-?ú10mill then we must sign him, Harry would get the best out of Berbatov.
Modric signed a Six Year contract recently and committed his future but then changed his mind as he got offered more money, Berbatov left us because we didn't show any ambition and He joined Manchester United, A United side that was full of quality and miles ahead of us.
Modric wanted to join Chelsea that had an ageing squad with lots of pension players and the fact that we were going to overtake them soon made Modric's desire harder to swallow. He also wanted to join our biggest rivals in my opinion.
Why would a Berbasex and VDV partnership need pace when you have Lennon and Bale flying down the wings, If opposing sides push up to try and pressure Berbasex + VDV then we can play the killer ball to release Bale and VDV. If they play deep to counter Bale and Lennon then it creates space for Berbasex and Rafa to work there magic.
If Berbatov is available for between ?ú5-?ú10mill then we must sign him, Harry would get the best out of Berbatov.
Modric will only be worse than Berbatov when he has spent more than one year trying to engineer a move away from the club and when he has turned the atmosphere at the training ground toxic.
Neither of those things have happened as of yet. Modric has been a model of professionalism since having his head turned in the summer.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
berbatov didnt even give us a chance to develop the team around him. the second man united showed interest he was literally refusing to play and forcing our hand...even threatened the webster ruling which thankfully was discredited by managers at the time as an option to get players.
modric wanted to leave but even though he said he wasnt in the right frame of mind i feel certain that if he was asked to play then he would have done so. berbatov refused to play, then the game came and went and he didnt play. forced the move and claimed we were his stepping stone to the team he wanted to join all along
i actualy think that money DID in fact play a huge part in modric's desire to move, but also the chelsea project...mata, avb and all the other players they were trying to get. it did look like a better future for a player than spurs. there you have an owner READY to show intent when its necessary
i dont blame either berbatov or modric for wanting to leave when they did, but berbatov was easily just as bad and highly likely that what he did was worse significantly than what modric did
berbatov and VDV wouldnt work too well i dont think. we would have the ball all nice and silky and good to see, but i fail to see the penetration consistently behind the opposition line. we'd be better off with drogba
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
i dont think he's long in the tooth to be fair, sounds young to me
Kingdawson
Banned
Berbasex:ross::ross::ross: