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Tottenham Hotspur Stadium - Licence To Stand

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Small gap in the fence on Worcester Avenue just enough to see through and spot the piling. If I can remember I will try and take a few pics before the Burnley match.
Although if you have seen the quality of the pics off my 90s-throwback mobile I am sure how much good they will be!
 
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The anti walkway guys were there with their leaflets. They claim that the club intends to put 120 businesses out of business, and that Haringey are NOT rehousing the tenants who they will move for the Walkway. (I think they object to the 5 year leases which they say they will be offered in the new flats).

Let's hope the club's PR department are on the case to counter this crap.
 
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Had a look at the construction site before the game today. There are two places from which to view it at ground level - one on the Paxton Road, close to the junction with Worcester Avenue; the other (the main site entrance), just off the High Road and more or less level with the northern end of the proposed stadium.

Running around pretty much the entire perimeter, you can now see a clear outline of the new stadium - formed by the sheet piling retaining walls. No imagination required any more to determine exactly where the new stadium will be. It's becoming real. At last.

Sorry, no pics!

P.S. I'm not sure what I've done to deserve the kind words (other than being an argumentative *******, perhaps?) but many thanks anyway!

I always go and have a look before games, but it was probably May I was last there when it was still daylight and I could see properly.

Really good news anyway
 
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You'd lose your house, then.

The circumstances of ENIC's ownership of Spurs and the Glazer's ownership of Utd are entirely different.

ENIC have put £66m into Spurs over the past 10 years.

The Glazers have taken £600m out of Utd over the past 10 years (and will likely take another £600m before they are done).

ENIC's investment strategy is all about increasing the club's capital value.

The Glazer's strategy is all about farming the club's revenues.

ENIC will make their financial killing when they eventually sell the club for far more than they bought it.

The Glazers will make their financial killing once the debt that they burdened the club with is finally paid off (from club revenues).

Taking money out of the club would be harmful to ENIC's investment strategy.

Taking money out of the club is the only way that the Glazer's investment strategy adds up.
Can you tell me what percentage that £66 million has allowed them to increase their holding by? I would be interested to see what good/bad value ENIC are getting for their investment.
 
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire

Small gap in the fence on Worcester Avenue just enough to see through and spot the piling. If I can remember I will try and take a few pics before the Burnley match.
Although if you have seen the quality of the pics off my 90s-throwback mobile I am sure how much good they will be!

Had a look at the construction site before the game today. There are two places from which to view it at ground level - one on the Paxton Road, close to the junction with Worcester Avenue; the other (the main site entrance), just off the High Road and more or less level with the northern end of the proposed stadium.

Running around pretty much the entire perimeter, you can now see a clear outline of the new stadium - formed by the sheet piling retaining walls. No imagination required any more to determine exactly where the new stadium will be. It's becoming real. At last.

Sorry, no pics!

P.S. I'm not sure what I've done to deserve the kind words (other than being an argumentative *******, perhaps?) but many thanks anyway!

Cheers guys! Some pics would be much appreciated :)
 
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The anti walkway guys were there with their leaflets. They claim that the club intends to put 120 businesses out of business, and that Haringey are NOT rehousing the tenants who they will move for the Walkway. (I think they object to the 5 year leases which they say they will be offered in the new flats).

Let's hope the club's PR department are on the case to counter this crap.

Wasn't much of a protest in the end. I've scanned a copy of the leaflet if anyone wants to read it.

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Can you tell me what percentage that £66 million has allowed them to increase their holding by? I would be interested to see what good/bad value ENIC are getting for their investment.

Hard to say, really.

When ENIC first took over the management of the club, they owned a tad under 30%.

There was a rights issue in January 2004. ENIC subscribed to their 30% share and, having underwritten the issue, also subscribed to the 40-45% of offered shares that weren't taken up by shareholders. In all, their contribution was about £11m of the £15m raised. This increased their shareholding to something in the region of 54%. If memory serves, that represented a price paid of about 40p per share. That was certainly cheap given that it valued the club at something like £45-50m (24% for £11m) at a time when the club was most likely worth £100m or more. But also bear in mind that this was a rights issue and that all existing shareholders had had the option to subscribe and thereby maintain their percentage shareholding. Nevertheless, ENIC would have counted on many existing shareholders (especially those who, as fans, merely held a token shareholding) failing to subscribe.

ENIC subsequently paid £25m for Sugar's remaining 12% in 2007 - taking their overall shareholding to 66%. Then, in 2009, they contributed pretty much all of the £15m raised by a share placement, at 50p per share.

All of the above is muddied by the fact that, at various times, the club itself bought back shares and took them out of circulation. Furthermore, ENIC also bought an unspecified number of other shares from existing shareholders after having finally bought Sugar out. I imagine, too, that they bought yet more shares when the company delisted. So it's something of a guesstimate to say that their shareholding stands at somewhere between 85-90% and that they would have paid in the region of £110-140m for it.

As to the latest £40m interest free loan that is due to be converted into equity, no details have yet been published (that I'm aware of) as to how many shares it will buy them and at what price.
 
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Cheers guys! Some pics would be much appreciated :)

To whet your appetite until some paxtonwolf and jimmyb take some pics, here's one that the BBC commentator posted yesterday...

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https://twitter.com/ConorMcNamaraIE/status/541218437616648192
 
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Cheers Steve... Looks a bit like a construction site, I'm no expert but I think we might be on our way to building something... :)
 
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Then neither does Lewis, surely, if that facile mode of argument is persued. Anyway, back on topic, please.

"And I have a right to view him as a c*nt when compared to the likes of both Abramovich and Mansour"

Sorry to be so shallow as to miss the complexity of you "****" argument. It's pursued btw.:eek:k:
 
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"And I have a right to view him as a c*nt when compared to the likes of both Abramovich and Mansour"

Sorry to be so shallow as to miss the complexity of you "****" argument. It's pursued btw.:eek:k:

:pale:

You've completely tumbled me. I hate grammatical mistakes on the emperor penguin (although I don't call people out on it much). Well spotted. As for the original point, if my right to consider Lewis a c*nt does not necessarily make him a c*nt, then Lewis' right to spend his own money does not necessarily mean he isn't an absolute c*nt.

It isn't a great basis for logic to emerge from, that chain of reasoning.


You do. Don't make you right though.

It's 'doesn't', btw. :eek:k:
 
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I know there was a lot of talk around training centres the other day in this thread, good article on the new city one which sounds insane, not sure I believe the comment that all expenditure had to be justified to the owners.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...n-Lab-from-which-they-aim-to-rule-Europe.html

On the talk around what we could do to make it better etc Man Utd have added a lot of new medical facilities there for quicker diagnosis and I think they can also do medicals there in secret.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ems-unveil-new-medical-facility.aspx?pageNo=1

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ngton-medical-centre-prevent-injury-woes.html
 
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Wasn't much of a protest in the end. I've scanned a copy of the leaflet if anyone wants to read it.

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Seems rather a confused protest. Local residents and businesses have a right to be upset about their treatment by the Council. Fans have a right to be upset by ticket prices. The two issues have nothing to do with each other so lumping them together is ridiculous and doesn't make their arguments stronger. Instead, it makes it look like they are complaining for the sake of it.
 
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Precisely Gareth.

They say that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all... so I'm trying hard not to respond to SuperHudd and DubaiSpur's silly expectations and rambling rants.

Luckily jimmyb does that job for all of us and saves us the hassle of responding to the daily deluge de merde.

Who said anything about £1.5billion.. Stop putting bull**** comments then say they are mine.
 
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You'd lose your house, then.

so.. As you seem to miss the fact that I said 'IF WE HAD UTDs' I stand by the fact that Enic the hell would take out 60m in share dividends every year. And I would bet my house on that.
 
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You'd lose your house, then.

The circumstances of ENIC's ownership of Spurs and the Glazer's ownership of Utd are entirely different.

ENIC have put £66m into Spurs over the past 10 years.

The Glazers have taken £600m out of Utd over the past 10 years (and will likely take another £600m before they are done).

ENIC's investment strategy is all about increasing the club's capital value.

The Glazer's strategy is all about farming the club's revenues.

ENIC will make their financial killing when they eventually sell the club for far more than they bought it.

The Glazers will make their financial killing once the debt that they burdened the club with is finally paid off (from club revenues).

Taking money out of the club would be harmful to ENIC's investment strategy.

Taking money out of the club is the only way that the Glazer's investment strategy adds up.

ENIC input minimal in comparison to huge selling price.
Glazers input minimal in comparison to huge selling price.

neither use there own money and aims by both are the same.. Fcuk all liability on there own part for a billion plus asset.
 
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