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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?


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Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Yeah lets blame Tim for the 6:0, 5:0 and the 3:0 defeats. And I bet it was Tim who told AVB not to pick Ade when we were struggling to score goals

no i think avb was squarely to blame for the defeats and the gaps in the team. my other suspicion is that the Jan window had a lot to do with AVB's departure. It feels like he was trying to prove a point with respect to the players he needed to complete the "vision"...
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

well the next manager knows the deal - he'd simply have to better AVB's record points haul ....
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

It's a fickle game football. Many are already heralding Sherwood as a better manager than AVB for getting the best out of Adebayor in just 2 games.

In my view a better side than Southampton or even Southampton with all their players available may have massacred that lineup on Sunday such was the imbalance defensively.

AVB was on course to potentially better our best ever points total in the PL. I stil believe he had a much bigger vision for this team. I'm gutted he never got the chance to prove it

Agree with the last part especially, but your comment about the Southampton game does not mean that Sherwood cannot potentially better AVB. He could achieve what you suggest with the 'Audere Est Facere' philosophy that so many bemoaned AVB for lacking.

We have the power in midfield to dominate games and make things difficult at the right times. Against an out-of-form and injury-weakened Southampton outfit in an away game, where we have shown our best form all season, this wasn't necessary as was proven by the result and performances of each team.

AVB would have undoubtedly approached the match with characteristic caution, and although we may have got a similar result, the method of achieving that result would have been far less 'Spurs'.

When Sherwood comes to face bigger challenges, where control of midfield will be more important, he may well opt for 5 in midfield, or a more defensive duo than Eriksen and Dembele/Bentaleb. The reality is we cannot tell yet. If we get tonked in games such as United away then clearly we will not have progressed from AVB, but I highly doubt that Sherwood would select such an attacking XI for our visit to Old Trafford, nor instruct them to play so openly.

Considering it was the first time we had genuinely played this 4-2-2-2 system, I thought we coped very well defensively on the whole. Both strikers did an excellent job of hassling or simply standing still and blocking the easy passes to the fullbacks/CMs, which allowed the wide players to come very narrow, sitting directly alongside the CMs when out of possession, leaving us exposed to the switch but very difficult to break down with a central midfield 3. A fair enough trade-off considering the lack of damage Southampton could inflict in the time it took for us to shuffle across. Furthermore, both when in possession and in transition from attack to defense after losing the ball, both CMs were willing to move out to the wing to provide passing outlets and stretch the Southampton central three, making use of our numerical advantage in the centre of the park, and to cover the holes left by the marauding full-backs.

With another week's practice and 2 home league games under our belts it would not surprise/worry me too much to see a similar system used at Old Trafford. We already looked fairly adept at the lateral movement demanded by such a system (which separates it from the old school 4-4-2, where movement is/was far more vertical). Hopefully it will not be long before we are fluent at it, not forgetting we also have Townsend (when fit) on the left and Lennon/Chadli on the right who can be used as more 'old school' wingers if we need some width higher up the pitch. Provided Vertonghen and maybe by some miracle Kaboul are fit and ready, we could field a very decent team at Old Trafford capable of controlling possession even with 2 up front:

------Soldado------Adebayor-------
--Eriksen------Lamela/Lennon/Chadli
-------Sandro---Paulinho/Dembele--
Rose-Vertonghen-Kaboul/Chiri-Walker
--------------Lloris----------------

Lamela obviously offers more techincal/passing ability while Lennon and Chadli offer a bit more on the outside, Walker also has a good understanding with Lennon and all three have shown defensive willingness/ability, be it against Southampton or in the past.

Sandro on the left would be excellent cover for Rose, who for all the balance he brings to the team with his willing running and wing play higher up the pitch, has shown he still has a some way to go before he is as reliable as Walker (who is going to be a hell of a player in a few years time).

That team has goals and creativity, and provided we can show a bit more discipline and be a little less gung-ho, should not be overrun. Let's not kid ourselves - Sherwood has been handed an embarrassment of riches to work with. Obviously he is not going to magically cohese in a week the players that AVB could not over the course of 5/6 months, but I think the system we played at Southampton, for its apparent defensive frailties, could eventually be used in a lot of games without us being overly-exposed. Perhaps Old Trafford will be too soon though.

I'm not saying this will happen, that Sherwood is a genius or anything of the like. It is impossible to know at this stage. As BoL says, it could be a masterstroke, but GB's Serious Relegation Fears (TM) could also be realised. It is folly to make predictions with any certainty.

At least if we can't have entertainment on the pitch, we get it off the pitch eh!
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

My biggest worry about Sherwood is bottling the end of the season. That is where managerial experience really counts. However, with the squad we have and the rotation AVB already implemented, Sherwood's first-team will hopefully not suffer the same burnout experienced by Redknapp's team in 2012, which should count in his favour.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

I'm up at 5.30am!!!! Had a nightmare that Tim Sherwood had taken over as manager.........
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Agree with the last part especially, but your comment about the Southampton game does not mean that Sherwood cannot potentially better AVB. He could achieve what you suggest with the 'Audere Est Facere' philosophy that so many bemoaned AVB for lacking.

We have the power in midfield to dominate games and make things difficult at the right times. Against an out-of-form and injury-weakened Southampton outfit in an away game, where we have shown our best form all season, this wasn't necessary as was proven by the result and performances of each team.

AVB would have undoubtedly approached the match with characteristic caution, and although we may have got a similar result, the method of achieving that result would have been far less 'Spurs'.

When Sherwood comes to face bigger challenges, where control of midfield will be more important, he may well opt for 5 in midfield, or a more defensive duo than Eriksen and Dembele/Bentaleb. The reality is we cannot tell yet. If we get tonked in games such as United away then clearly we will not have progressed from AVB, but I highly doubt that Sherwood would select such an attacking XI for our visit to Old Trafford, nor instruct them to play so openly.

Considering it was the first time we had genuinely played this 4-2-2-2 system, I thought we coped very well defensively on the whole. Both strikers did an excellent job of hassling or simply standing still and blocking the easy passes to the fullbacks/CMs, which allowed the wide players to come very narrow, sitting directly alongside the CMs when out of possession, leaving us exposed to the switch but very difficult to break down with a central midfield 3. A fair enough trade-off considering the lack of damage Southampton could inflict in the time it took for us to shuffle across. Furthermore, both when in possession and in transition from attack to defense after losing the ball, both CMs were willing to move out to the wing to provide passing outlets and stretch the Southampton central three, making use of our numerical advantage in the centre of the park, and to cover the holes left by the marauding full-backs.

With another week's practice and 2 home league games under our belts it would not surprise/worry me too much to see a similar system used at Old Trafford. We already looked fairly adept at the lateral movement demanded by such a system (which separates it from the old school 4-4-2, where movement is/was far more vertical). Hopefully it will not be long before we are fluent at it, not forgetting we also have Townsend (when fit) on the left and Lennon/Chadli on the right who can be used as more 'old school' wingers if we need some width higher up the pitch. Provided Vertonghen and maybe by some miracle Kaboul are fit and ready, we could field a very decent team at Old Trafford capable of controlling possession even with 2 up front:

------Soldado------Adebayor-------
--Eriksen------Lamela/Lennon/Chadli
-------Sandro---Paulinho/Dembele--
Rose-Vertonghen-Kaboul/Chiri-Walker
--------------Lloris----------------

Lamela obviously offers more techincal/passing ability while Lennon and Chadli offer a bit more on the outside, Walker also has a good understanding with Lennon and all three have shown defensive willingness/ability, be it against Southampton or in the past.

Sandro on the left would be excellent cover for Rose, who for all the balance he brings to the team with his willing running and wing play higher up the pitch, has shown he still has a some way to go before he is as reliable as Walker (who is going to be a hell of a player in a few years time).

That team has goals and creativity, and provided we can show a bit more discipline and be a little less gung-ho, should not be overrun. Let's not kid ourselves - Sherwood has been handed an embarrassment of riches to work with. Obviously he is not going to magically cohese in a week the players that AVB could not over the course of 5/6 months, but I think the system we played at Southampton, for its apparent defensive frailties, could eventually be used in a lot of games without us being overly-exposed. Perhaps Old Trafford will be too soon though.

I'm not saying this will happen, that Sherwood is a genius or anything of the like. It is impossible to know at this stage. As BoL says, it could be a masterstroke, but GB's Serious Relegation Fears (TM) could also be realised. It is folly to make predictions with any certainty.

At least if we can't have entertainment on the pitch, we get it off the pitch eh!

I'd have no problem seeing Eriksen in the centre of midfield beside Dembele at Old trafford. United's midfield is so poor. Cleverly and Jones is the usual pairing at the moment.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Not surprised Sherwood was appointed. Maybe Levy took this gamble in order to try and save some face....or maybe it was the ONLY decision he could make in the short term (probable) The 18 month contract is telling...

No doubt about it Sherwood is now under HUGE pressure for the remainder of the season. He knows he has to come through with flying colours....I wish him the very best of luck.

Not my choice, but he's here now...and everyone has to get behind him.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

but an 18 month contract?
sherwood said he didn't wnat to be stop-gap... but is 18 months his idea of a permanent role?

imagine if sherwodd can beat the likes of wenger, mourinho, pelligrini, moyes and even rodgers and le pardieu...it would bring all those guys experience and salaries into question.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

I am not for one moment suggesting Tim will be even a quarter as successful as Guardiola but what experience did he have before he took over Barca? He was managing their B side

He was managing it though. Wasn't NBD essentially DOF of the youth team?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

but an 18 month contract?
sherwood said he didn't wnat to be stop-gap... but is 18 months his idea of a permanent role?

imagine if sherwodd can beat the likes of wenger, mourinho, pelligrini, moyes and even rodgers and le pardieu...it would bring all those guys experience and salaries into question.

18 months is a reasonable period to start with.

I'm sure that if Sherwood can deliver a trophy and/or a Top Four finish this season, his contract will be extended.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Levy must be the most "generous" chairman around. Don't think any other chairman has "wrote off" as many league seasons as him. Find it more annoying this time as he seems to have write off the next 2 seasons. Find it hard to believe someone without any top level management experience like Sherwood will be put in charge until the end of next season. If he is so generous he should have just let AVB continue until the end of this season.

Willing to give a chance to Sherwood but he will need a miracle to bring instant success to us. I think Sherwood is already at a disadvantage because :
1. He is English - no English manager has won the EPL and have rarely won any other trophies
2. he was a good player in his time - good players rarely become good managers
3. he doesn't have any experience managing any club
4. he is under pressure to prove his worth
5. Levy always sack managers as he wish

Anyway, good luck to Sherwood. He can prove his worth if he can win or alteast get a draw against ManU away next week.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

I wonder if capoue and Holtby were the players rose was talking about being late for training
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Question re the LB/no signings aspect, can we actually recall BAE under the terms of his loan?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Question re the LB/no signings aspect, can we actually recall BAE under the terms of his loan?

Looked like Benny got into a bit of a scuff with one of his team mates at the weekend so may want to return
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Question re the LB/no signings aspect, can we actually recall BAE under the terms of his loan?

No one knows what deals have been made unless it has been made public. I'm sure arry will be in the press declaring it if this was the case.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

No one knows what deals have been made unless it has been made public. I'm sure arry will be in the press declaring it if this was the case.

Just Googled BAE and Redknapp has said both loans to QPR are in our control so I'd hope Akotto would be recalled. Carroll may as well leave there, getting games.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

Not surprised Sherwood was appointed. Maybe Levy took this gamble in order to try and save some face....or maybe it was the ONLY decision he could make in the short term (probable) The 18 month contract is telling...

No doubt about it Sherwood is now under HUGE pressure for the remainder of the season. He knows he has to come through with flying colours....I wish him the very best of luck.

Not my choice, but he's here now...and everyone has to get behind him.


i actually don tthink he is under any pressure at all

whats the huge pressure?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

posted this in the adebayor thread...i think its better here

ahem........just wanted to say something

SEVERAL players AND Tim Sherwood have all that "Top four is still acheiveable" "Top four is the aim" "we want top four"

So can anyone guess what our goal is according to the team and the current stand in manager?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!

This is a 6 month contract not an 18 month one. Lets face it if he fails to get champions league then Levy will get someone from the managerial-merry-go round after the world cup. He probably just had to give him 18 months so Timmy would take it.
 
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