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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/
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Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
I'm confident we will win our next two yes, both at home, one against a managerless unorganised West Brom, the other against a crap Stoke team but once the away games roll around we will lose as many as we win I'm telling you. Can't be as open as we were yesterday because teams will punish us.
Hopefully it was just Tim taking advantage of Southampton's rocky defence, but I don't hold out much hope of his tactical nous. I really hope he does well but I'd happily settle for 6th now. The last thing we want is to finish 9th or 10th, lose a couple of key players and be of less attraction to players and managers in the summer.
I'm confident we will win our next two yes, both at home, one against a managerless unorganised West Brom, the other against a crap Stoke team but once the away games roll around we will lose as many as we win I'm telling you. Can't be as open as we were yesterday because teams will punish us.
Hopefully it was just Tim taking advantage of Southampton's rocky defence, but I don't hold out much hope of his tactical nous. I really hope he does well but I'd happily settle for 6th now. The last thing we want is to finish 9th or 10th, lose a couple of key players and be of less attraction to players and managers in the summer.
Mulletperm
Mauricio Taricco
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
If it sees us playing attractive football and CL qualification I won't be complaining.
If it sees us playing attractive football and CL qualification I won't be complaining.
Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
Yeah lets blame Tim for the 6:0, 5:0 and the 3:0 defeats. And I bet it was Tim who told AVB not to pick Ade when we were struggling to score goals
Yeah lets blame Tim for the 6:0, 5:0 and the 3:0 defeats. And I bet it was Tim who told AVB not to pick Ade when we were struggling to score goals
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
He's walking on very thin ice, in my view. If he gets rid of Holtby, that ice will collapse.
Holtby not able to pass? What a joker.
He's walking on very thin ice, in my view. If he gets rid of Holtby, that ice will collapse.
Holtby not able to pass? What a joker.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
I want Sherwood gone. I'll always support Spurs but I'll never back Sherwood. He's not good enough, plays with naivety and hasn't achieved anything in management to justify the role that we have bestowed upon him.
I want Sherwood gone. I'll always support Spurs but I'll never back Sherwood. He's not good enough, plays with naivety and hasn't achieved anything in management to justify the role that we have bestowed upon him.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
He played Holtby against West Ham. People are reading way too much into this.
He played Holtby against West Ham. People are reading way too much into this.
Superhudd
Simon Davies
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
Has his blog and resident at the forum attached to that forum I believe.
Has his blog and resident at the forum attached to that forum I believe.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
Neither have any of Levy's managers.
Neither have any of Levy's managers.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
But they have shown signs elsewhere that they can manage. Sherwood is taking up his first managerial role, all his learning at this level will be with us. He is far more likely to make mistakes in the learning process which will then cost us. His mistakes could well cost him his job and us valuable time as the club takes a step backwards.
I would love him to prove me wrong as that would mean that we were successful but I can't see it happening.
But they have shown signs elsewhere that they can manage. Sherwood is taking up his first managerial role, all his learning at this level will be with us. He is far more likely to make mistakes in the learning process which will then cost us. His mistakes could well cost him his job and us valuable time as the club takes a step backwards.
I would love him to prove me wrong as that would mean that we were successful but I can't see it happening.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
We'll see. But if he moves on Lamela/Chiriches/Holtby and keeps Dawson, I can't see him being popular.
We'll see. But if he moves on Lamela/Chiriches/Holtby and keeps Dawson, I can't see him being popular.
Millsy_Yiddo
Naybet
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
I'm not sure how you can establish this opinion after 2 games?
Also, surely as a Spurs fan u back the club no matter who the manager is
I'm not sure how you can establish this opinion after 2 games?
Also, surely as a Spurs fan u back the club no matter who the manager is
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
Erm, please re-read my post. I said that I'll always support Spurs. Or is that not backing the club?
Erm, please re-read my post. I said that I'll always support Spurs. Or is that not backing the club?
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
As for why not, I've said some reasons. Other reasons include that players will respect him less than an established name, our profile is affected by appointing a manager that is not well known. There are far better candidates about than Sherwood. I think he was given the post as we needed someone interim, but Sherwood wanted full time or nothing apparently, so we were backed in to a corner.
As for why not, I've said some reasons. Other reasons include that players will respect him less than an established name, our profile is affected by appointing a manager that is not well known. There are far better candidates about than Sherwood. I think he was given the post as we needed someone interim, but Sherwood wanted full time or nothing apparently, so we were backed in to a corner.
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
How do you know anything about Sherwood's managerial abilities?
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that there were no managers available that were demonstrably more able a coach than Sherwood. Experience counts for very little if you haven't learnt from it.
Although I suppose there are no similar examples where such a move has been a success... right?
Apart from Pep Guardiola bloke and his replacement Tito Vilanova. The much-vaunted Frank De Boer who many wanted to replace AVB? No managerial experience before Ajax. Hyypia has been a great success with no experience at Leverkusen, qualifying for the CL group stage by coming 3rd. Laurent Blanc had no experience before guiding Bordeaux to 2nd and then the title, ending Lyon's dominance. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is admittedly working at a lower level, but he still turned around an underperforming Molde team. Roberto Mancini didn't have his badges when he took charge of Fiorentina - he won the Coppa Italia with them and Lazio before a successful spell at Inter and obviously City. Leonardo didn't have his badges when he took over at Milan, he still came third with them and won the Coppa Italia with Inter the following season. Vincenzo Montella did a decent job in his half-season at Roma with no experience, he then moved to Catania before doing an exemplary job at Fiorentina.
While it is by no means a guaranteed recipe for success, if the coach is able enough there are plenty of examples of a lack of experience at the top level not mattering too much. Just because it hasn't happened in England recently does not mean it doesn't happen at all. Admittedly the media are something else in this country but for christ's sake cheer the fook up!
How do you know anything about Sherwood's managerial abilities?
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that there were no managers available that were demonstrably more able a coach than Sherwood. Experience counts for very little if you haven't learnt from it.
Although I suppose there are no similar examples where such a move has been a success... right?
Apart from Pep Guardiola bloke and his replacement Tito Vilanova. The much-vaunted Frank De Boer who many wanted to replace AVB? No managerial experience before Ajax. Hyypia has been a great success with no experience at Leverkusen, qualifying for the CL group stage by coming 3rd. Laurent Blanc had no experience before guiding Bordeaux to 2nd and then the title, ending Lyon's dominance. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is admittedly working at a lower level, but he still turned around an underperforming Molde team. Roberto Mancini didn't have his badges when he took charge of Fiorentina - he won the Coppa Italia with them and Lazio before a successful spell at Inter and obviously City. Leonardo didn't have his badges when he took over at Milan, he still came third with them and won the Coppa Italia with Inter the following season. Vincenzo Montella did a decent job in his half-season at Roma with no experience, he then moved to Catania before doing an exemplary job at Fiorentina.
While it is by no means a guaranteed recipe for success, if the coach is able enough there are plenty of examples of a lack of experience at the top level not mattering too much. Just because it hasn't happened in England recently does not mean it doesn't happen at all. Admittedly the media are something else in this country but for christ's sake cheer the fook up!
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Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
In your ill-informed, amateur opinion (no better than any of us, but almost certainly worse than Levy's). Out of interest, who would you have picked?
In your ill-informed, amateur opinion (no better than any of us, but almost certainly worse than Levy's). Out of interest, who would you have picked?
Superted
Jonathan Woodgate
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
I don't think the players would care as much about big name status of the manager than the fans seem to. At the end of the day if the boss is a prick, the players won't like him.
Thudd seemed to like Timmy and he's done wonders with Ade so far. That's two ticks already.
I don't think the players would care as much about big name status of the manager than the fans seem to. At the end of the day if the boss is a prick, the players won't like him.
Thudd seemed to like Timmy and he's done wonders with Ade so far. That's two ticks already.
El Guepardo
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
Why is my opinion necessarily I'll-informed? I'll assume that you mean my opinion, as there's no reason for me not to have a solid grasp on footballing matters, albeit one that doesn't come from a professional footballing background.
As for my choice. I'm anticipating your reaction to my suggestion. I'm going to say De Boer. To which, you'll possibly argue that he had zero experience before taking over at Ajax, and try to compare De Boer with Sherwood on that matter. To which, I'll say that De Boer has gained experience, both in the Dutch league, and in the Champions League over the past few seasons. De Boer has a reputation in World football. He has vast International playing experience and very well known across the globe. De Boer plays with an attacking style and turned the side around from its past dip in form. He has worked with both Eriksen & Vertonghen before, two of our key players and so likely knows the secret to getting the best out of them, he also has knowledge of working within a footballing set up which includes academy.
Why is my opinion necessarily I'll-informed? I'll assume that you mean my opinion, as there's no reason for me not to have a solid grasp on footballing matters, albeit one that doesn't come from a professional footballing background.
As for my choice. I'm anticipating your reaction to my suggestion. I'm going to say De Boer. To which, you'll possibly argue that he had zero experience before taking over at Ajax, and try to compare De Boer with Sherwood on that matter. To which, I'll say that De Boer has gained experience, both in the Dutch league, and in the Champions League over the past few seasons. De Boer has a reputation in World football. He has vast International playing experience and very well known across the globe. De Boer plays with an attacking style and turned the side around from its past dip in form. He has worked with both Eriksen & Vertonghen before, two of our key players and so likely knows the secret to getting the best out of them, he also has knowledge of working within a footballing set up which includes academy.
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Re: Tim Sherwood -Your Manager! 18 month contract confirmed!
As a rival fan, Sherwood's appointment is welcome news. Can't believe you got rid of AVB to replace him with this. Very strange. Doesn't seem to have been a well thought out move.
As a rival fan, Sherwood's appointment is welcome news. Can't believe you got rid of AVB to replace him with this. Very strange. Doesn't seem to have been a well thought out move.