Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[El Guepardo]

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I don't think the players would care as much about big name status of the manager than the fans seem to. At the end of the day if the boss is a prick, the players won't like him.

Thudd seemed to like Timmy and he's done wonders with Ade so far. That's two ticks already.

2 games from Ade, not really the basis to assume that he's played well due to Sherwood's influence. He might be playing well simply because he's actually good, or because he wants a place in the first team.

 

[P.D.]

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Happy to see how the next 6 months go and review in the summer, best option for now. Don't want a new manager and coaching team coming in upsetting things again.

We just need the players to get more games together and they will gel, they are of a decent standard so its only a matter of time really.

Must say is that tweet right, don't rate Holtbys passing? WTF. He's shown to be one of the best we have and done some good through balls this season, remember that one to Defoe at Sunderland.

 

[diego_maradona]

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yea I'm sure Germany, a nation producing some of the best technical players in the game right now, would make Holtby their u21 captain if his passing was poor.

 

[Pandy]

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Why is my opinion necessarily I'll-informed? I'll assume that you mean my opinion, as there's no reason for me not to have a solid grasp on footballing matters, albeit one that doesn't come from a professional footballing background.

As for my choice. I'm anticipating your reaction to my suggestion. I'm going to say De Boer. To which, you'll possibly argue that he had zero experience before taking over at Ajax, and try to compare De Boer with Sherwood on that matter. To which, I'll say that De Boer has gained experience, both in the Dutch league, and in the Champions League over the past few seasons. De Boer has a reputation in World football. He has vast International playing experience and very well known across the globe. De Boer plays with an attacking style and turned the side around from its past dip in form. He has worked with both Eriksen & Vertonghen before, two of our key players and so likely knows the secret to getting the best out of them, he also has knowledge of working within a footballing set up which includes academy.

Because just about everyone inside and outside of the football world's opinion on Tim Sherwood's managerial abilities are ill-informed! How can anyone know for sure? Only people who have worked in the club over the last 5 years can truly be privy to his abilities as a manager, and he has got rave reviews in this regard. We even turned down an offer from Blackburn to take him as manager - in the past we have let other promising coaches go such as Inglethorpe to Liverpool. Clearly he demonstrated something above that shown by most members of the backroom staff - but other than that we can infer very little.

My mention of De Boer's lack of experience was more evidence for Sherwood's possible success than evidence against his appointment instead. De Boer stated that he would not have left Ajax mid-season - that still leaves a gaping managerial hole until then. Sherwood would not take it short-term, so who would be in charge up until then? What if they succeeded? What if they failed and we needed to sack THEM? What if De Boer wanted one more year at Ajax? Or a bigger club came in?

Sherwood is in some senses a safe bet - he knows the club, the squad, the youths, the league. He also appears to be a motivator - whose appointments in charge of under-performing squads are often successful in unlocking players' potential. In other senses it is a massive risk - obviously he lacks managerial experience, which is normally made up for by playing experience, which Sherwood does possess, although he was not a world-renowned player and thus may not command all of the players' respect (although he will have a head-start with ex-youth teamers and has already marked his authority based on Rose's comments). But apart from experience/reputation, we really cannot know Sherwood's pitfalls as well as figures such as Levy will.

 

[Superted]

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2 games from Ade, not really the basis to assume that he's played well due to Sherwood's influence. He might be playing well simply because he's actually good, or because he wants a place in the first team.

More about his relationship with Ade. AVB with his "name" and success couldn't get Ade involved but Sherwood has got him at least in the team and scoring goals. It's all about man management.

 

[punk_is_back`]

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Staggering. When the news came up on the ticker I nearly choked.

We're Tottenham Hotspur, sure, not a mega club but certainly the 5th or 6th biggest club in the country. There is absolutely no way on planet earth we should be appointing an absolute rookie at such a pivotal time. It is a joke of a decision made by a joke of a man (Levy), who has been manipulated by Sherwood so blatantly I can't help but be amazed, given how shrewd Levy is meant to be.

Our fans, including myself have dished out thousands of pounds on tickets and season tickets this season yet for over half of it will be watching a side managed by someone with zero experience of managing a first team. Yeah AVB's side was boring as hell but at least there was that glimmer of hope there with him knowing that he had at least completed his ****ing badges!

Our players, many of whom are foreign and cost £10m+, how are they going to react to this? They have no reason to respect Sherwood cos he's achieved **** all. I mean, this guy although he has clearly coached the youths well is the same man who fielded an ineligible player in a NextGen tournament FFS! He just isn't likely to inspire these international footballers is he? (don't tell me he's motivated Adebayor, Adebayor has motived himself cos it's almost time for the transfer window to open).

Yes the football will be attacking but that doesn't mean it'll be fun to watch. Yesterday we were mostly **** against an understrength Southampton side, we barely strung three passes together but won due to a bit of luck and an on form striker doing his job for once. In Sherwood's other game we just got the ball out wide and pinged it in against West Ham hoping for the best before knackering ourselves out and losing to our rivals again.

Liverpool, Arsenal, Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea, Everton and Man Utd fans will be ****ing loving this. Once again we are a laughing stock. They now have the top six positions wrapped up. There is no way on earth Sherwood will steer us to the top four so don't even mention it. He will just put as many attacking players on the pitch as possible and hope for the best.

The ONLY positive thing I can imagine comes out of this is we'll finally see our youngsters given a chance. But at the expense of loads of players on top dollar after we spent vast amounts on them this summer or the one before or the one before that.

I'll still go to the games and support the team and Sherwood because for me the man to blame is Levy, who has lost the plot.

The journey back to midtable mediocrity begins here boys, hold on tight...

Exactly this, the way we play in the long term will knacker us out and make us ripe for the pickings.

 

[The Portugeezer]

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I want Sherwood gone. I'll always support Spurs but I'll never back Sherwood. He's not good enough, plays with naivety and hasn't achieved anything in management to justify the role that we have bestowed upon him.

As for why not, I've said some reasons. Other reasons include that players will respect him less than an established name, our profile is affected by appointing a manager that is not well known. There are far better candidates about than Sherwood. I think he was given the post as we needed someone interim, but Sherwood wanted full time or nothing apparently, so we were backed in to a corner.

Knee jerk alert! Knee jerk alert! Blimey Tim is only been in charge of the team for 180 minutes and you already writing him off after two games! :lol:

And Derek, how do you know there are far better candidates than Sherwood at this very stage of season? If you are so confident about that maybe you should offer Levy your services because you seem to know a lot more than he does.

Has his blog and resident at the forum attached to that forum I believe.

Ah that would explain his absence, thanks.

 

[diego_maradona]

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It's a fickle game football. Many are already heralding Sherwood as a better manager than AVB for getting the best out of Adebayor in just 2 games.

In my view a better side than Southampton or even Southampton with all their players available may have massacred that lineup on Sunday such was the imbalance defensively.

AVB was on course to potentially better our best ever points total in the PL. I stil believe he had a much bigger vision for this team. I'm gutted he never got the chance to prove it

 

[johnola]

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Oh hang on, just realised, 18 months...

How strange.

 

[The Portugeezer]

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It's a fickle game football. Many are already heralding Sherwood as a better manager than AVB for getting the best out of Adebayor in just 2 games.

In my view a better side than Southampton or even Southampton with all their players available may have massacred that lineup on Sunday such was the imbalance defensively.

AVB was on course to potentially better our best ever points total in the PL. I stil believe he had a much bigger vision for this team. I'm gutted he never got the chance to prove it

You know what, I had a feeling he would have bettered it as well and had he been given more time, the dream may have been realised...

 

[spitshine]

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Staggering.

Personally I have huge reservations about levy after this. Completely losing faith

So Levy sacked AVB for Sherwood, this is madness.
He is undoing all his good work, think he should sell the club as he has clearly lost Interest.

A very sad day.

 

[Mulletperm]

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You know what, I had a feeling he would have bettered it as well and had he been given more time, the dream may have been realised...

What makes you think that?

 

[The Portugeezer]

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What makes you think that?

Record points last season. This season we were looking to better it and AVB left the club with the highest win percentage of any manager we had in our PL history. In fact, highest since the post-war era. AVB isn't completely clueless.

 

[SteveAWOL]

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Record points last season. This season we were looking to better it and AVB left the club with the highest win percentage of any manager we had in our PL history. In fact, highest since the post-war era. AVB isn't completely clueless.

Andre also tied the record for managing Tottenham' heaviest ever Premier League defeats for both home and away fixtures, the joint worst scorelines this club has suffered the 1970s :-"

 

[BrainOfLevy]

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Sherwood has played a massive blinder. All the 'it has to be right for me' quotes were perfect and show him as a great operator, I'm actually confident with someone like that at the helm. Someone that takes the initiative. Someone that knows their worth. Someone with the clear confidence in they own ability. That, combined with the fact that people in the club who have been exposed to his style seem to rate him so highly, it suggests to me it might be an absolute master stroke of an appointment.

I also have to say, to the people saying, 'but he has no experience'. Has watching football over the last 10/20/30 years years taught you nothing? Since when has managerial experience been an indicator of managerial success?

 

[BrainOfLevy]

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Andre also tied the record for managing Tottenham' heaviest ever Premier League defeats for both home and away fixtures, the joint worst scorelines this club has suffered the 1970s :-"

Can we not just agree that AVB tried his best and has his merits? Ultimately it may turn out that Sherwood is better for our club, but if we decided to back AVB I'm 100% confident he would have established his system and we would be loving what he brought us too. It didn't happen, we move on and we back Sherwood now. But let's not all be Jamie Redknapp and talk down a man that tried his absolute best for this club, and gave his undoubted talents to us for a time when he could have gone elsewhere. It didn't happen for him, fine, but it very nearly could have and he desperately wanted it to.

Onwards with Sherwood though.

 

[veron23]

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you guys are pathetic.
reality check number 1 - the 18 months contract is to give the impression of stability to the players. they wont listen to a manager who they know will be out the door in a few games. this way the team becomes more of a unit and cause the players to respond and play with purpose.

reality check number 2 - anybody who gets about in life will tell you arm chair fans that experience means very little in most circumstances. there is something far more important called ABILITY. if hes good hes good if hes not hes not.

reality check number 3 - avb was CLUELESS. anybody with half a brain could see we were failing miserably last year, creating zero chances, zero movement and zero flexibility in our play. bale saved us or we would have been mid table. from the first game he took over until liverpool there was ZERO progress. each game has been as predictable as the last.

reality check number 4 - andros townsend on the right is TERRIBLE. FACT. he is the most tackled player and the worst converter of chances. sherwood knew in already to play him on the left where his direct predictable play wouldn't be so much of a problem and he looked transformed.

reality check number 5 - we created more chances in 2 games under sherwood than we did in 18 months under avb.

we will be fine.

 

[veron23]

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ther were so many things wrong with avb. e.g playing with 2 inverted wingers making us shockingly predictable. playing andros"give the ball away" townsend on the right. playing soldado by himself when clearly he doesnt have the strength and the all round game to fulfill that role etc etc etc
the worst part was it was the same mistakes EVERY SINGLE GAME and he couldnt (or wouldnt) see it.
sherwood in 2 games has already put townsend on the left chadli on the right, given soldado a partner and the result is? balls in the box leading to the thing most important in football.
goals

 

[thfcsteff]

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If Sherwood does well this season and doesn't get sh1t-canned, I think he might bring Livermore back into the fold at the expense of Capoue, and Carroll back at the expense of Holtby.

Agreed and I would not be unhappy…I like both Capoue and Lewis (especially the latter's passion) but have to say Carroll back would be great! I think it will happen.

 

[SteveAWOL]

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Can we not just agree that AVB tried his best and has his merits? Ultimately it may turn out that Sherwood is better for our club, but if we decided to back AVB I'm 100% confident he would have established his system and we would be loving what he brought us too. It didn't happen, we move on and we back Sherwood now. But let's not all be Jamie Redknapp and talk down a man that tried his absolute best for this club, and gave his undoubted talents to us for a time when he could have gone elsewhere. It didn't happen for him, fine, but it very nearly could have and he desperately wanted it to.

Onwards with Sherwood though.

I too wonder what might've been had we signed Moutinho et al to properly implement AVB' system and am disappointed it didn't work out in the end but whenever I hear someone mention his "record points" haul it reminds me of Redknapp prattling on about "2pts from 8 games" as both statements make it sound like the respective managers were miracle workers who single handedly saved our club from obscurity!

But yes I'm also cautiously optimistic about Sherwood being the right man at the right time and am looking forward to seeing some of our talented youngsters given a chance in the first team.