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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?


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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

From what I can remember, Chadli was already tied up before Baldini arrived although given all the other players AVB wanted I can't see how he was anything other than a back up. To me it seemed that we were going to play with Bale and Villa either side of Soldado with Paulinho becoming the fourth attacker. Moutinho was wanted as the playmaker with a DM sitting alongside.

No doubt when Bale announced he wasn't going to play for us anymore Lamela was suggested as the like for like replacement even though their styles are dissimilar. I think this signing was key to it all going tits up for AVB as he needed a goalscorer in at least one of the wide forward positions given the fact we missed out on Villa. Eriksen again was probably a back up for the failed Willian deal. I don't think Levy could've done much more to support AVB and probably acted under the guidance of Baldini, as I'm certain he wouldn't have sanctionned the Lamela deal without sufficient proof of the kid's credentials.

Keeping the thread on topic (whatever it is these days) I still think our performances were poor under AVB, however I will go as far as saying that our play hasn't looked anywhere near as structured since he left. Sherwood has brought in a different style, or at least relaxed the restraints on the players but will want to tear up the squad this summer. This for me is the big thing. I don't think our squad is as bad as he makes out and I think a more experienced coach could get more from them. To draw a line through all that was done last summer isn't something we can afford to do.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

From what I can remember, Chadli was already tied up before Baldini arrived although given all the other players AVB wanted I can't see how he was anything other than a back up. To me it seemed that we were going to play with Bale and Villa either side of Soldado with Paulinho becoming the fourth attacker. Moutinho was wanted as the playmaker with a DM sitting alongside.

No doubt when Bale announced he wasn't going to play for us anymore Lamela was suggested as the like for like replacement even though their styles are dissimilar. I think this signing was key to it all going tits up for AVB as he needed a goalscorer in at least one of the wide forward positions given the fact we missed out on Villa. Eriksen again was probably a back up for the failed Willian deal. I don't think Levy could've done much more to support AVB and probably acted under the guidance of Baldini, as I'm certain he wouldn't have sanctionned the Lamela deal without sufficient proof of the kid's credentials.

Keeping the thread on topic (whatever it is these days) I still think our performances were poor under AVB, however I will go as far as saying that our play hasn't looked anywhere near as structured since he left. Sherwood has brought in a different style, or at least relaxed the restraints on the players but will want to tear up the squad this summer. This for me is the big thing. I don't think our squad is as bad as he makes out and I think a more experienced coach could get more from them. To draw a line through all that was done last summer isn't something we can afford to do.

Yep; which is why TS will be out on his ear in May imo
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Would do well to get this job:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2608967/Tim-Sherwood-mix-Saudi Sportswashing Machine-job-Alan-Pardew-leaves-summer.html
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Pochettino, De Boer, Spalletti would all be good calls in my book. That's without even thinking it through.

So a Pochettino who was beaten home and away by our " train wreck " head coach, a De Boer who has already rejected us once and ****ed off Levy by going to the media and talking about his approach. I don't know enough about Spalletti, but could he be a Santini, Ramos or AVB all over again?

Be careful what you wish for.
 
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So a Pochettino who was beaten home and away by our " train wreck " head coach, a De Boer who has already rejected us once and ****ed off Levy by going to the media and talking about his approach. I don't know enough about Spalletti, but could he be a Santini, Ramos or AVB all over again?

Alternatively. The young players at Southampton have blossomed under Pochettino, they've been beaten by some clubs with far bigger wage bills but they are punching well above their weight and have a decent system in place whist still being an attractive side. FdB said he wanted to stay in his job until the end of the season, the same as LvG and has spoken about our approach but again so has LvG. If Levy is prepared to consider LvG, I see no reason why FdB should not also be considered. As you say, you don't know much about Spalletti but he could be a Ferguson, Mourinho or Wenger all over again.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood when results are going well in January: "I don't need to buy I'm happy with the squad"

Sherwood after poor results in March: "Everythings wrong with the club, the players are playing for their future"

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Tim Sherwood Dec 2013 "I know what the supporters want"

Tim Sherwood April 2014 "Are fans screaming why ain't Sandro playing? I don't know"

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Tim 'Contradiction' Sherwood:

18/04 - "We haven't had a world class player since Bale."

20/04 - "Lloris is a genuine world class player."
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

He just doesn't handle himself in the media well for me. Marginalising our players in the press/media. (Sandro is partly to blame of course but it's fair game after previous criticisms of the squad).

I mean it's just stupid at times. He answers loaded questions like who is your best players at spurs? He says without hesitation Lloris, Adebayor. No one else. Top man management there Tim. Just think before you speak or just shut the f*** up. Always praised for his honesty. By who? Usually the media because he writes their headlines for them
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

so much excuses flying around all over the place

Thats just our club though isnt it? its us in a nutshell.

We also have different assertions as to what sucess would mean for this club. Some think qualifying for the ucl every season...others would say regular trophies.

Before we all play the blame game we must realise one crucial point...we have the sixth highest wage bill in the league so technically we are we should be are we not? we are neither falling below expectations nor raising ourselves above them.

What we wont ever do is dominate the league in the way that Man utd dominated our game for 20 + years... in order for us to do anything of special note we need to make sure our recruitment of Players is spot on and more in the line of the Modric and Bale type of quality...this also needs to go hand in hand with developing and giving youth a chance. We have the world Class training facilities. The glaring problem is our small stadium which holds us back competing with the financial big boys.

If we deem this season as a failure then there should be equal blame between Levy,Baldini,AVB & Timbo we should have the we all fail/suceed together mentality.

Personally I wanted Timbo given a chance...I know he is like marmite on here and I do agree his style with the press is very controversial and not always helpful to our cause, but I would like to point out that Tims persistance with rewarding hard work in training is not a bad thing...nor is the fact that he has taken some of our players down a peg or two.

If Tim leaves us with a developed Bentaleb and a Developed Kane...that can only be a good thing...at our club we need to develop youth rather than pick at the scraps in the transfer market hoping we unearth a gem.

in order to get sucess we need to do our homework and buy players to try and peak at the same time...supplement it with youth. The longer Levy & Baldini work together the hope is they trust each other more and make better deciscions...whether people want tim gone or not we do NEED a coach to develop youth and to develop an attractive brand of football.

If Sherwood is responsible for an effective Bentaleb & Kane in the future then I say..despite your many faults...Thank you Tim.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

So a Pochettino who was beaten home and away by our " train wreck " head coach, a De Boer who has already rejected us once and ****ed off Levy by going to the media and talking about his approach. I don't know enough about Spalletti, but could he be a Santini, Ramos or AVB all over again?

Be careful what you wish for.
Strange comment mate seeing as you have admitted that AVB was doing a reasonable job and Sherwood should never had the chance to replace him!
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Thats just our club though isnt it? its us in a nutshell.

We also have different assertions as to what sucess would mean for this club. Some think qualifying for the ucl every season...others would say regular trophies.

Before we all play the blame game we must realise one crucial point...we have the sixth highest wage bill in the league so technically we are we should be are we not? we are neither falling below expectations nor raising ourselves above them.

What we wont ever do is dominate the league in the way that Man utd dominated our game for 20 + years... in order for us to do anything of special note we need to make sure our recruitment of Players is spot on and more in the line of the Modric and Bale type of quality...this also needs to go hand in hand with developing and giving youth a chance. We have the world Class training facilities. The glaring problem is our small stadium which holds us back competing with the financial big boys.

If we deem this season as a failure then there should be equal blame between Levy,Baldini,AVB & Timbo we should have the we all fail/suceed together mentality.

Personally I wanted Timbo given a chance...I know he is like marmite on here and I do agree his style with the press is very controversial and not always helpful to our cause, but I would like to point out that Tims persistance with rewarding hard work in training is not a bad thing...nor is the fact that he has taken some of our players down a peg or two.

If Tim leaves us with a developed Bentaleb and a Developed Kane...that can only be a good thing...at our club we need to develop youth rather than pick at the scraps in the transfer market hoping we unearth a gem.

in order to get sucess we need to do our homework and buy players to try and peak at the same time...supplement it with youth. The longer Levy & Baldini work together the hope is they trust each other more and make better deciscions...whether people want tim gone or not we do NEED a coach to develop youth and to develop an attractive brand of football.

If Sherwood is responsible for an effective Bentaleb & Kane in the future then I say..despite your many faults...Thank you Tim.

Well said.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Thats just our club though isnt it? its us in a nutshell.

We also have different assertions as to what sucess would mean for this club. Some think qualifying for the ucl every season...others would say regular trophies.

Before we all play the blame game we must realise one crucial point...we have the sixth highest wage bill in the league so technically we are we should be are we not? we are neither falling below expectations nor raising ourselves above them.

What we wont ever do is dominate the league in the way that Man utd dominated our game for 20 + years... in order for us to do anything of special note we need to make sure our recruitment of Players is spot on and more in the line of the Modric and Bale type of quality...this also needs to go hand in hand with developing and giving youth a chance. We have the world Class training facilities. The glaring problem is our small stadium which holds us back competing with the financial big boys.

If we deem this season as a failure then there should be equal blame between Levy,Baldini,AVB & Timbo we should have the we all fail/suceed together mentality.

Personally I wanted Timbo given a chance...I know he is like marmite on here and I do agree his style with the press is very controversial and not always helpful to our cause, but I would like to point out that Tims persistance with rewarding hard work in training is not a bad thing...nor is the fact that he has taken some of our players down a peg or two.

If Tim leaves us with a developed Bentaleb and a Developed Kane...that can only be a good thing...at our club we need to develop youth rather than pick at the scraps in the transfer market hoping we unearth a gem.

in order to get sucess we need to do our homework and buy players to try and peak at the same time...supplement it with youth. The longer Levy & Baldini work together the hope is they trust each other more and make better deciscions...whether people want tim gone or not we do NEED a coach to develop youth and to develop an attractive brand of football.

If Sherwood is responsible for an effective Bentaleb & Kane in the future then I say..despite your many faults...Thank you Tim.

Interesting post, so I'll answer in pieces

The club has to have an idea of what success is, I agree, and while the supporters may disagree, I believe Levy is quite clear -> competing for CL spot, competing for trophies.

We are on par in terms of wages to results, but top 7 is a funny thing. Really both us and United have had poor seasons yet will never really be in danger of being out of top 7, the gap below is 8 points to 8th, 13 to 10th. Finishing on par if you are pushing the people above is acceptable, finishing on par with zero threat to anyone above is not.

Our player recruitment is actually quite good, people in this thread love to show the win % of BMJ - Harry - AVB - TS with each one actually having a better win % and claim it shows TS is a better manager. To me it actually jus shows we have increasingly bought better players and a more balanced squad. Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, VDV, Bale, Lloris, Eriksen at the prices paid for them are all amazing buys. We are trying to develop youth as you pointed out with our facilities investment, depending on it would be a tougher ask.

Absolutely Levy/Baldini are partially/fully to blame for this season. The fact as a employer you see an employee going off the rails (AVB) and didn't read the risk and prepare an adequate replacement option = extremely poor. Add the fact that you make a high risk call to appoint someone with no experience whatsoever? and that person has basically shown all the issues of lack of experience = damning.

Taking players down a peg or two highlights his inexperience and more worryingly a lack of understanding of the modern management role (which is often ego management vs. "boss man")

Bentaleb, Kane and Ade are all credits to TS, again like the previous point, why has he had success only with the people he has had under his wing for months, yet players who it would seem easier to motivate and get performances out of e.g. Vert, Sandro he alienates and they seem terrible out of form and/or disinterested?

We need a club system/ethos, Levy has been striving for it since BMJ/FA, the problem is Levy has got to learn to trust through the rough periods. If we have a system that we can buy/develop players to, it allows our purchases and youth players a greater chance of success.

TS deserves some thanks for getting us where we end (hopefully 72 points) and for Bentaleb, Kane and even Ade.

Thing is a huge part of your comments is about how we, the club, Levy, Baldini must have a together we succeed/fail mentality, one of the biggest issues with TS is he has been incredibly decisive to the club, fans and players ..
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Alternatively. The young players at Southampton have blossomed under Pochettino, they've been beaten by some clubs with far bigger wage bills but they are punching well above their weight and have a decent system in place whist still being an attractive side. FdB said he wanted to stay in his job until the end of the season, the same as LvG and has spoken about our approach but again so has LvG. If Levy is prepared to consider LvG, I see no reason why FdB should not also be considered. As you say, you don't know much about Spalletti but he could be a Ferguson, Mourinho or Wenger all over again.

Are they? 8th is there or thereabouts with the squad they have no?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Are they? 8th is there or thereabouts with the squad they have no?

I don't agree that Southampton are punching above their weight significantly if you took this season in isolation, the money they spend, etc. They are if you realize how volatile their results/positions have been in recent years.

What is obvious is they have an attractive style to watch, stuff like movement off the ball is very good, decent defensive shape, looks like a team. Add the obvious blooming of players like Shaw and Lallana and you could see the attraction.

To me, still an inexperience risk, could be the next Martinez, could be the next Laudrup ...
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood when results are going well in January: "I don't need to buy I'm happy with the squad"

Sherwood after poor results in March: "Everythings wrong with the club, the players are playing for their future"

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Tim Sherwood Dec 2013 "I know what the supporters want"

Tim Sherwood April 2014 "Are fans screaming why ain't Sandro playing? I don't know"

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Tim 'Contradiction' Sherwood:

18/04 - "We haven't had a world class player since Bale."

20/04 - "Lloris is a genuine world class player."

=D>=D>=D>
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood when results are going well in January: "I don't need to buy I'm happy with the squad"

Sherwood after poor results in March: "Everythings wrong with the club, the players are playing for their future"

------

Tim Sherwood Dec 2013 "I know what the supporters want"

Tim Sherwood April 2014 "Are fans screaming why ain't Sandro playing? I don't know"

----


Tim 'Contradiction' Sherwood:

18/04 - "We haven't had a world class player since Bale."

20/04 - "Lloris is a genuine world class player."

Well he knew he wasn't going to sign anyone in the January window so nothing wrong with what he said there, and considering some of the player's performances in March he was right in saying they are playing for their futures - that isn't a direct contradiction.

The 'I know what supporters want' quote he was talking about the brand of football Spurs fans want to see and has no relation to him knowing whether Spurs fans are asking where Sandro is or not.

The world class quotes are quite funny I must admit, but the way some on here literally hang onto every little quote from Sherwood and want to twist literally every word that comes out of Sherwood's mouth into something negative is quite disturbing....
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Well he knew he wasn't going to sign anyone in the January window so nothing wrong with what he said there, and considering some of the player's performances in March he was right in saying they are playing for their futures - that isn't a direct contradiction.

The 'I know what supporters want' quote he was talking about the brand of football Spurs fans want to see and has no relation to him knowing whether Spurs fans are asking where Sandro is or not.

The world class quotes are quite funny I must admit, but the way some on here literally hang onto every little quote from Sherwood and want to twist literally every word that comes out of Sherwood's mouth into something negative is quite disturbing....

Not 100% on this but didn't he say something along the lines of "I told the chairman that he didn't want anymore players" rather than the other way round?
 
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