Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[milo]

Re: Temporary Tim

Why I thought it was a championship type game

- both sides had a stupid amount of losing possession (and not even just when going for that special pass, everywhere)
- Lots of individual mistakes -> Vlad for their first, their own goal, Rose for most of first half (the fall when in possession)
- Poor shape without the ball for both teams

I agree we were trying to be more attacking, but if you can't hold on to the ball long enough to get it forward, what's the point? (I may be wrong, but it's either the only time or maybe second time for season I've seen an opposition side have more than 10% more possession than us, believe in the end they had 57% to our 43%)

Spurs for the last couple of seasons (even under Harry) try to hold on to the ball, play neat passing, what we need is to change the tempo of that passing, not give it up altogether.

Lambert & Lallana gave us a fairly hard time

Other than just playing a lot more risky, I saw nothing to suggest any of our main issues have been fixed (not a lot of chances in first half, no one controlling the midfield, defense still shakey)

All I could think watching that game is, **** we need a real manager quickly.

I agree. I was very pleased with the result. Please to see us getting bodied into the box. But I thought that we were poor defensively and I was aghast to see us trying to attack with 90 seconds extra time left to go when we could have tried to hold possession and see the game out. On another day we will pay for that.

But, Sherwood, Ferdinand and Ramsey have had less than a week with the team and this was a big improvement on Wednesday's performance. I'll be interested in seeing how the team develops over the next few weeks.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Re: Temporary Tim

No we didn't boss it. The point was that very few will go there and do that so it not something to be majorly concerned about. I would only expect that with a title challenging squad.

I suppose It depends what the criteria is here for a good performance . I've seen us dominate possesion in previous games against anyone half decent.... about 50 yards from goal with the opposition watching on in bewilderment for a while before getting bored as everyone else of our painfully slow build up and just taking the ball off us and scoring. That was against pretty much anyone decent bar perhaps Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Norwich. To go from that to today was some improvement.

I will agree we still look shaky at the back but our best centre back was out again today along with Sandro who is also very crucial to the defence and has helped spare our blushes several times this season. To say he hasn't fixed other areas though is just bizarre. Before today we had scored about 4 goals in 16 games that we'd actually created. Not penalties, own goals or block busters from Siggy, Holtby, Sandro or Chriches. Actually through balls or crosses to get in behind defences. 4 goals in 16 games! Sherwood is halfway to that total in just 2 games! And more importantly, given all the chances created, we could have surpassed the whole season today alone!

Good post. Your last paragraph is the main positive that I took out of the game today. Was fantastic to see us counter attacking at pace and with numbers again. Chadli looked a different player when he came on.

Defensively we were shakey, as we have been under AVB any time any decent team stretches us. I'm not sure how people can hold this against Sherwood.

I'm not keen on his attitude and interview style (yet) but it's hard to argue that today's performance wasn't a step in the right direction offensively at least

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Re: Temporary Tim

mentioned this in the omt.......if thats the way he rolls then thats quite impressive.....get a proper overview then make adjustments....20 mins is enough time to see what way the wind is blowing........some on here will just say he is thick though and didnt realise he was meant to be in the dugout probably

Gooner Graham did it most games, normally for the first half.

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Re: Temporary Tim

Over the moon with the 3 points and 3 goals away from home, plus Ade/Soldado looking good, nothing else suggested we "fixed" anything long term.

Could anyone rationally believe our problems be fixed so soon? I am happy to see we look a goal threat. I think when the likes of Sandro and Verts get back in the team we will look a bit more solid.

 

[ringo]

Re: Temporary Tim

If AVB had been a bit more flexible - playing Ade, changing formation - he would still be in a job. I always argued he was cutting off his nose.. and so it proved... it was senseless stupid management really.
Today we saw what it looks like when players get played in the right position, and want to play for their manager.

Sherwood may be some arch manipulator for all I know, but then Fergie was no mean politician behind the scenes and it didn't do him or Man U any harm. We need a manager with a bit of ego and a tough streak -so long as they have some footballing sense. Sherwood might just turn out to be exactly what we need.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Temporary Tim

has anyone made the point that both Arthur Rowe and Keith Burkinshaw had very limited top level managerial experience before they took over at Spurs, and the great Bill Nic's first managerial job was Tottenham after spending years as a coach at the club

those 3 didnt do too bad did they:-k

 

[chancer]

Re: Temporary Tim

Didn't Tim in his interview with Sky rule himself out of being interim Manager, either give him the job permanently or find a new manager and he'll go back to the U21's. That's the gist I along with the Sky reporter got from his response to the question of whether he wants the job.

No, I don't think that's right. I think he meant he wouldn't want it on a game-by-game basis and that he thinks the club needs a manager asap. He can't possibly turn down interim till end of the season if offered it.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Temporary Tim

Didn't Tim in his interview with Sky rule himself out of being interim Manager, either give him the job permanently or find a new manager and he'll go back to the U21's. That's the gist I along with the Sky reporter got from his response to the question of whether he wants the job.

He is very smart...this is why he has been in a position of power at our club. He knows how to play the game, he knows how to get what he wants. It's what a good business man does, takes the initiative and control of the deal and basically says 'this is what I am, you can take me now but if you don't, I'm going somewhere else that values my time'. Comments like this make him look like a person of extremely high value and I must say I like it, it shows confidence in his ability and that combined with the stories of everyone at the club thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread, should mean he actually does have some talent.

I must say though, I wish we could be positive about Sherwood without needing to disparage AVB. Sherwood is setting up to attack, and the people that wanted to see that more for the last year will be happy. The people that liked the control and playing a game on our terms won't be. Both approaches have their merits, we either create more chances but look more defensively shaky or we create less chances but control the game...neither is 'right' but one is what we currently have, one is what we used to have. We may as well get behind the incumbent and appreciate the job the previous man did for us.

I think the idea of controlling a game is something that will play very well in Italy and better in France compared to England, so AVB is really always fighting an uphill battle to win over the home fans as well as certain people that have grown up in English football and who has the ear of influential people at the club. So it has arguably worked out best for everyone. Let's just appreciate what we have, as well as what we had. Both men have their merits and both are/were giving what they can to Spurs.

 

[milo]

Re: Temporary Tim

No, I don't think that's right. I think he meant he wouldn't want it on a game-by-game basis and that he thinks the club needs a manager asap. He can't possibly turn down interim till end of the season if offered it.

I think that he is right. If we cannot find someone who meets our criteria to start at the beginning of January, we should give Sherwood until the end of the season, the uncertainty will make his job impossible otherwise.

 

[Harry_Perkins]

Re: Temporary Tim

Bear in mind though that a lot of the chaotic and manic nature of today's game was down to Saints - they average the 2nd most possession in the league despite having the 10th best pass completion % - basically they win the ball quickly and give it away quickly too! My mate, sho supports Saints, said today was a prototypical Saints game under Pochettino.

It's virtually impossible to control the game against Saints, due to their intense pressing, so instead we played 2 up top and got the ball to them as quickly as possible in order to avoid their press and take advantage of the space behind them. Seems like a sensible approach, so I think it's only fair to reserve judgement of Sherwood's approach until we've played a few more PL games to see if the games are always so manic.

Yep, good post. You can see how this has been effective for them against weaker opposition and it doesn't make it easy for anyone who goes there. I think with Sandro and Verts we may have bossed it and come away with at least a two goal margin.

 

[Hashegotthesackyet?]

Re: Temporary Tim

He is very smart...this is why he has been in a position of power at our club. He knows how to play the game, he knows how to get what he wants. It's what a good business man does, takes the initiative and control of the deal and basically says 'this is what I am, you can take me now but if you don't, I'm going somewhere else that values my time'. Comments like this make him look like a person of extremely high value and I must say I like it, it shows confidence in his ability and that combined with the stories of everyone at the club thinking he is the best thing since sliced bread, should mean he actually does have some talent.

I must say though, I wish we could be positive about Sherwood without needing to disparage AVB. Sherwood is setting up to attack, and the people that wanted to see that more for the last year will be happy. The people that liked the control and playing a game on our terms won't be. Both approaches have their merits, we either create more chances but look more defensively shaky or we create less chances but control the game...neither is 'right' but one is what we currently have, one is what we used to have. We may as well get behind the incumbent and appreciate the job the previous man did for us.

I think the idea of controlling a game is something that will play very well in Italy and better in France compared to England, so AVB is really always fighting an uphill battle to win over the home fans as well as certain people that have grown up in English football and who has the ear of influential people at the club. So it has arguably worked out best for everyone. Let's just appreciate what we have, as well as what we had. Both men have their merits and both are/were giving what they can to Spurs.

He can't be smart, he's not from Eton...

 

[indianspur]

Re: Temporary Tim

No, I don't think that's right. I think he meant he wouldn't want it on a game-by-game basis and that he thinks the club needs a manager asap. He can't possibly turn down interim till end of the season if offered it.

i dont think he wants to be an interim manager. He is basically saying to levy "you know me, I want the job permanently, lets sit down and do a deal".

he actually said "I dont want the job 5 mins, Id want a long term contract"....pretty clear to me

 

[Bullet]

Re: Temporary Tim

Some excellent posts in this thread, I wish there was a thumbs up button to show what you agree/disagree with but I'm not gonna go through saying "+1" everywhere.

I think Tim is talking himself out of the job - he is saying he won't do it for the season, he will only do it if it is full time. I'm not sure Levy responds well to threats like that. He should just be happy to get a chance to show his worth and have a huge audition for the season. Maybe he thinks the players won't respond if he is interim, but it does come across very ballsy, which I'm not sure is Levy's cup of tea.

 

[the dza]

Re: Temporary Tim

You will see us control games, with Sherwood in charge, where teams come to the Lane and sh*t themselves and sit back -- assuming he picks a team along the lines of today, with plenty of brains on the pitch.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Temporary Tim

Some excellent posts in this thread, I wish there was a thumbs up button to show what you agree/disagree with but I'm not gonna go through saying "+1" everywhere.

I think Tim is talking himself out of the job - he is saying he won't do it for the season, he will only do it if it is full time. I'm not sure Levy responds well to threats like that. He should just be happy to get a chance to show his worth and have a huge audition for the season. Maybe he thinks the players won't respond if he is interim, but it does come across very ballsy, which I'm not sure is Levy's cup of tea.

im sure Levy has seen this side of Sherwood before, but Sherwood is still at the club and Levy felt confident enough in laying off AVB and putting Sherwood in immediate charge. If anything, Levy is quite liking Sherwood's arrogant attitude

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Temporary Tim

No, I don't think that's right. I think he meant he wouldn't want it on a game-by-game basis and that he thinks the club needs a manager asap. He can't possibly turn down interim till end of the season if offered it.

That's what i took from what he said too.
I can't see him turning down having the job to the end of the season.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Temporary Tim

Some excellent posts in this thread, I wish there was a thumbs up button to show what you agree/disagree with but I'm not gonna go through saying "+1" everywhere.

I think Tim is talking himself out of the job - he is saying he won't do it for the season, he will only do it if it is full time. I'm not sure Levy responds well to threats like that. He should just be happy to get a chance to show his worth and have a huge audition for the season. Maybe he thinks the players won't respond if he is interim, but it does come across very ballsy, which I'm not sure is Levy's cup of tea.

I would almost put money on the fact that it is exactly Levy's cup of tea. And that Sherwood knows that, and is why he is acting exactly like he is. And it's probably what has gotten Sherwood to this point already.

 

[ringo]

Re: Temporary Tim

Some excellent posts in this thread, I wish there was a thumbs up button to show what you agree/disagree with but I'm not gonna go through saying "+1" everywhere.

I think Tim is talking himself out of the job - he is saying he won't do it for the season, he will only do it if it is full time. I'm not sure Levy responds well to threats like that. He should just be happy to get a chance to show his worth and have a huge audition for the season. Maybe he thinks the players won't respond if he is interim, but it does come across very ballsy, which I'm not sure is Levy's cup of tea.

Given that Sherwood has been there a while, I would guess he has a pretty good idea of what Levy responds well to or not. Tough negotiators usually respect tough negotiators.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Temporary Tim

That's what i took from what he said too.
I can't see him turning down having the job to the end of the season.

he said he wants something long term, i dont think till the end of the season is long term.....well, for a Tottenham manager under Levy i guess that can count as long term

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Temporary Tim

Some excellent posts in this thread, I wish there was a thumbs up button to show what you agree/disagree with but I'm not gonna go through saying "+1" everywhere.

I think Tim is talking himself out of the job - he is saying he won't do it for the season, he will only do it if it is full time. I'm not sure Levy responds well to threats like that. He should just be happy to get a chance to show his worth and have a huge audition for the season. Maybe he thinks the players won't respond if he is interim, but it does come across very ballsy, which I'm not sure is Levy's cup of tea.

I agree its a risky tactic......but maybe it forces the issue........Levy needs to make a decision!!!!!!!

unfortunately Tim we are not going to give you a ten year contract but a few years with a couple of clauses maybe.........

at this point I think we should give it to him.........and no not just because we got a win today but because he has seen our failures firsthand and seems to have ideas on how to correct them.

One thing I have realised in this thread is that no manager will ever gain universal popularity and there will always be those that question the manager motives......

Give him the job....we can always review again in the summer but what im saying is maybe its right to force Levy into making a decision just so we know where we as a club stand!