Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[thfcsteff]

Re: Temporary Tim

Out of curiosity, what do people think about him starting the game from the directors' box? Personally I thought it was a great move: it's far easier to analyse the patterns of a game from up there than from down on the touchline, and his later admission that we were poor early on probably came from watching us from the stands and gaining a top-down tactical view. I don't see any harm in him starting most games from up there, just to see us through the first 20-odd minutes before clambering down and doing the standard pointy-shouty routine afterwards.

I think it's the place to analyse a game from, and that one member of the coaching staff should always be there. Good win. Horrific defence. Tiny Tim's to lose now I suppose…glad Ade's back.

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Temporary Tim

Out of curiosity, what do people think about him starting the game from the directors' box? Personally I thought it was a great move: it's far easier to analyse the patterns of a game from up there than from down on the touchline, and his later admission that we were poor early on probably came from watching us from the stands and gaining a top-down tactical view. I don't see any harm in him starting most games from up there, just to see us through the first 20-odd minutes before clambering down and doing the standard pointy-shouty routine afterwards.

mentioned this in the omt.......if thats the way he rolls then thats quite impressive.....get a proper overview then make adjustments....20 mins is enough time to see what way the wind is blowing........some on here will just say he is thick though and didnt realise he was meant to be in the dugout probably

 

[Raziel]

Re: Temporary Tim

soldado was actually not as involved as you might think save for the chances he got

and i am pretty sure those chances were carved out by the rest of the team

each to his own i guess, it seemed like every time we had the ball we were looking to do something with it. i.e score

it wasnt the best game, as in men v boys, but it was definately us having the lions share.

not sure if you're factoring the level of opposition either?

actually i've started this off wrong

whats the actual issue..why did you think this was a bad game and why did you think it was like a championship game?

Why I thought it was a championship type game

- both sides had a stupid amount of losing possession (and not even just when going for that special pass, everywhere)
- Lots of individual mistakes -> Vlad for their first, their own goal, Rose for most of first half (the fall when in possession)
- Poor shape without the ball for both teams

I agree we were trying to be more attacking, but if you can't hold on to the ball long enough to get it forward, what's the point? (I may be wrong, but it's either the only time or maybe second time for season I've seen an opposition side have more than 10% more possession than us, believe in the end they had 57% to our 43%)

Spurs for the last couple of seasons (even under Harry) try to hold on to the ball, play neat passing, what we need is to change the tempo of that passing, not give it up altogether.

Lambert & Lallana gave us a fairly hard time

Other than just playing a lot more risky, I saw nothing to suggest any of our main issues have been fixed (not a lot of chances in first half, no one controlling the midfield, defense still shakey)

All I could think watching that game is, **** we need a real manager quickly.

 

[Harry_Perkins]

Re: Temporary Tim

I'm amazed people thought today was a good game

Very good result, excellent play by our front two, but the rest was dire

In what context though? Apart from perhaps Norwich and Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home I don't think we've played better this season. Who could seriously complain if we were sitting in 10th before today? We have had a lot of luck to still be even in contention. In the wider context, how many the current top 4 will get to Southampton and boss it? Not many. More than pleased to simple go there, played okay and take the 3 points

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Temporary Tim

In what context though? Apart from perhaps Norwich and Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home I don't think we've played better this season. Who could seriously complain if we were sitting in 10th before today? We have had a lot of luck to still be even in contention. In the wider context, how many the current top 4 will get to Southampton and boss it? Not many. More than pleased to simple go there, played okay and take the 3 points

agreed... 'to dare is to do'

today tim dared and he did!!!!

 

[DubaiSpur]

Re: Temporary Tim

I think it's the place to analyse a game from, and that one member of the coaching staff should always be there. Good win. Horrific defence. Tiny Tim's to lose now I suppose…glad Ade's back.

It makes me wonder why more managers don't try sitting up there for a spell, it seems like the perfect way to determine the flow of a game. To an extent, the higher up you are, the easier it is to see patterns of play emerging and correct/ encourage them. And that only makes AVB's spell at Chelsea worse: he wasn't just ignoring that advantage, he actively hindered himself by crouching for the majority of a game. What on earth was he hoping to spot that way?

mentioned this in the omt.......if thats the way he rolls then thats quite impressive.....get a proper overview then make adjustments....20 mins is enough time to see what way the wind is blowing........some on here will just say he is thick though and didnt realise he was meant to be in the dugout probably:eek:

Lahndahn geezah innit. :ross:

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: Temporary Tim

It makes me wonder why more managers don't try sitting up there for a spell, it seems like the perfect way to determine the flow of a game. To an extent, the higher up you are, the easier it is to see patterns of play emerging and correct/ encourage them. And that only makes AVB's spell at Chelsea worse: he wasn't just ignoring that advantage, he actively hindered himself by crouching for the majority of a game. What on earth was he hoping to spot that way?



Lahndahn geezah innit. :ross:

Oh I think it's THE ONLY place to properly see a match unfold…I hate being lower in the stands myself (that's a whole different game, more like an impact-action film) whereas higher up you see the spaces/soft-spots, all of it. I never understood managers NOT watching from there. I presume it's because the majority believe they are already 'set'?

 

[Raziel]

Re: Temporary Tim

In what context though? Apart from perhaps Norwich and Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home I don't think we've played better this season. Who could seriously complain if we were sitting in 10th before today? We have had a lot of luck to still be even in contention. In the wider context, how many the current top 4 will get to Southampton and boss it? Not many. More than pleased to simple go there, played okay and take the 3 points

You thought we bossed it today? really, I thought Lallana and Lambert gave us trouble all day long.

Poor in possession, no real shape, individual errors all over the park, still look shakey in defense, neither of our creative players had a particularly good game.

Over the moon with the 3 points and 3 goals away from home, plus Ade/Soldado looking good, nothing else suggested we "fixed" anything long term.

 

[Cochise]

Re: Temporary Tim

I think you have to give credit to Southampton for their pressing game in the first half though. They made it very difficult hence all the one touch football we played in the first half. Inevitably we lost possession but that's understandable. Other things worried me more

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: Temporary Tim

It makes me wonder why more managers don't try sitting up there for a spell, it seems like the perfect way to determine the flow of a game. To an extent, the higher up you are, the easier it is to see patterns of play emerging and correct/ encourage them. And that only makes AVB's spell at Chelsea worse: he wasn't just ignoring that advantage, he actively hindered himself by crouching for the majority of a game. What on earth was he hoping to spot that way?



Lahndahn geezah innit. :ross:

He was just copying Bielsa just like his pressing and high line without knowing why he was doing it

Still it was better than the walking dead look he developed towards the end

 

[elltrev]

Re: Temporary Tim

Why I thought it was a championship type game

- both sides had a stupid amount of losing possession (and not even just when going for that special pass, everywhere)
- Lots of individual mistakes -> Vlad for their first, their own goal, Rose for most of first half (the fall when in possession)
- Poor shape without the ball for both teams

I agree we were trying to be more attacking, but if you can't hold on to the ball long enough to get it forward, what's the point? (I may be wrong, but it's either the only time or maybe second time for season I've seen an opposition side have more than 10% more possession than us, believe in the end they had 57% to our 43%)

Spurs for the last couple of seasons (even under Harry) try to hold on to the ball, play neat passing, what we need is to change the tempo of that passing, not give it up altogether.

Lambert & Lallana gave us a fairly hard time

Other than just playing a lot more risky, I saw nothing to suggest any of our main issues have been fixed (not a lot of chances in first half, no one controlling the midfield, defense still shakey)

All I could think watching that game is, **** we need a real manager quickly.

Bear in mind though that a lot of the chaotic and manic nature of today's game was down to Saints - they average the 2nd most possession in the league despite having the 10th best pass completion % - basically they win the ball quickly and give it away quickly too! My mate, sho supports Saints, said today was a prototypical Saints game under Pochettino.

It's virtually impossible to control the game against Saints, due to their intense pressing, so instead we played 2 up top and got the ball to them as quickly as possible in order to avoid their press and take advantage of the space behind them. Seems like a sensible approach, so I think it's only fair to reserve judgement of Sherwood's approach until we've played a few more PL games to see if the games are always so manic.

 

[Reggie_Mentalist]

Re: Temporary Tim

Credit where it's due..Sherwood exhibited balls of steel when he put on Bentaleb, rather going for the safer option. He trusted his gut feeling and gave the lad a chance.

The team did look *up for it*. The defensive problems we had today were more due to players unavailable rather than team set up IMHO. I expect when Verts, Kaboul are fit things will sure up nicely.

I am very interested in the next team shape at home to WBA. I am sure Sandro will be in the team but as for Paulinho..who knows.

One thing is for sure though, any decent manager, worth their salt, would be queuing up to take charge of that squad.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Re: Temporary Tim

Let's be fair here, City only got a point there the other week. This was a bloody good result. We looked a bit too open and made some silly mistakes but on the whole tht was an encouraging performance for me.

Tim seems to have some balls with his team selection and subs, fair play to him so far.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: Temporary Tim

People like you, scaramanga and to a lesser extent GB judge a manager solely on how they articulate themselves. I prefer to judge based on style of play and what i see on the pitch.

I work with plenty of people that are great talkers/bull****ters but don't actually deliver. My old boss loved people with personality and didn't care too much about output, my new boss within a matter of weeks has already figured out who the best workers are and has seen through the type of workers that the old boss loved. Seems to be the same on here for some people in the sense that it matters more that they look the part and their background is more important than results on the pitch.

 

[THFC]

Re: Temporary Tim

Win rate of 100pc ib all PL games, surely the stattos are in heaven with this?

 

[Bonsaiboy]

Re: Temporary Tim

If he can guide us to three home wins in our next three - very winnable - home games, I'd be for giving him the rest of the season.

If he can manage victories against Man U and Arsenal as well, he deserves the job full time.

 

[Harry_Perkins]

Re: Temporary Tim

You thought we bossed it today? really, I thought Lallana and Lambert gave us trouble all day long.

Poor in possession, no real shape, individual errors all over the park, still look shakey in defense, neither of our creative players had a particularly good game.

Over the moon with the 3 points and 3 goals away from home, plus Ade/Soldado looking good, nothing else suggested we "fixed" anything long term.

No we didn't boss it. The point was that very few will go there and do that so it not something to be majorly concerned about. I would only expect that with a title challenging squad.

I suppose It depends what the criteria is here for a good performance . I've seen us dominate possesion in previous games against anyone half decent.... about 50 yards from goal with the opposition watching on in bewilderment for a while before getting bored as everyone else of our painfully slow build up and just taking the ball off us and scoring. That was against pretty much anyone decent bar perhaps Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Norwich. To go from that to today was some improvement.

I will agree we still look shaky at the back but our best centre back was out again today along with Sandro who is also very crucial to the defence and has helped spare our blushes several times this season. To say he hasn't fixed other areas though is just bizarre. Before today we had scored about 4 goals in 16 games that we'd actually created. Not penalties, own goals or block busters from Siggy, Holtby, Sandro or Chriches. Actually through balls or crosses to get in behind defences. 4 goals in 16 games! Sherwood is halfway to that total in just 2 games! And more importantly, given all the chances created, we could have surpassed the whole season today alone!

 

[indianspur]

Re: Temporary Tim

how can Sherwood be expected to fix all of Tottenham's problems after only a few days in charge???

 

[Huddy]

Re: Temporary Tim

Didn't Tim in his interview with Sky rule himself out of being interim Manager, either give him the job permanently or find a new manager and he'll go back to the U21's. That's the gist I along with the Sky reporter got from his response to the question of whether he wants the job.

 

[Kingdawson]

Re: Temporary Tim

Didn't Tim in his interview with Sky rule himself out of being interim Manager, either give him the job permanently or find a new manager and he'll go back to the U21's. That's the gist I along with the Sky reporter got from his response to the question of whether he wants the job.

Yep pretty much.