Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[thfcsteff]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sorry to break the news to you, but even with the new stadium we'll still be the 5th (or maybe 6th) richest club in the country. That won't make the difference.

Even if we put a 100K stadium in, we'd still only have less than a thousandth of the available income of Chelsea and City. We still need a manager they will make us better than the sum of our parts.

I have to wonder if this is even enough. I have long, long supported Levy, but the time is drawing near if we want to push on. Great managers, sadly, only go to places where there is cash. Yes, we spent 100 mill, etc, etc, but this was not an investment, merely a reinvestment of incoming money from sales. Now, had we done the impossible, kept Bale and still taken the 60 million loan from Lewis, THAT would've been interesting…but we didn't. Instead, we spent somewhere in the region of what, 6 million when all's said and done books-wise? You don't get top 4 with that. Just like buying your house when prices are low and watching it's value rise, when you sell, you will most likely have to move out of the area to one you can afford. That's what we end up doing time and time again. It has to stop.

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sorry to break the news to you, but even with the new stadium we'll still be the 5th (or maybe 6th) richest club in the country. That won't make the difference.

Even if we put a 100K stadium in, we'd still only have less than a thousandth of the available income of Chelsea and City. We still need a manager they will make us better than the sum of our parts.

What are Liverpool ? Rodgers does not have the resources of Mourinho and Pellegrini at his disposal, but he has much more than we currently do he has managed to put together a title challenge this season. Why won't we be able to do that with additional resources?

 

[NWND]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Vertonghen slipped under no pressure, Kaboul was busy tying his shoe laces and not alert to the yawning gap between him and verts. Kaboul had one of his customary brain fart moments despite posters lauding him as the "answer" to our defensive problems. Perhaps once we went down to 1-0 Tim could have changed the formation but looking at the bench there was no creative player on it. Had he gone to 442 and we got muellered he would have been destroyed on here. So again what should he have done differently from the beginning that would have prevented the vertonghen mistake?

Its not about preventing the mistake these things happen. Neither is it about preventing a loss, as these things happen.

Its about building a consistent and comfortable side that is going to play our game and give them something to think about.

Every two bob midtable or relegation team can set up with some weird defensive park the bus formation and frustrate a top 4 team for an hour before surrendering. Thats not what we should be about. We are tottenham effin hotspur not west ham who incidentally got a point at the bridge by doing exactly what tim did yday but also by virtue of being
massively lucky. Tim was unlucky no doubt with the verts mistake and the pen/red card call but you make your own luck and to dareis to do!

I'd have gone proper 4-3-3 with Townsend and Lennon or Chadli pushed up to support Ade. I'd have played fryers at left back, walker right back and verts and kaboul in defence.

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

What are Liverpool ? Rodgers does not have the resources of Mourinho and Pellegrini at his disposal, but he has much more than we currently do he has managed to put together a title challenge this season. Why won't we be able to do that with additional resources?

Liverpool are much richer than us. He's no closer to a title challenge than we are to 4th and he's a far better manager than Timmeh.

Edit:
They also have a truly world class player that they won't keep this summer and are incredibly unlikely to replace in at least the next 5 years.

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sorry to break the news to you, but even with the new stadium we'll still be the 5th (or maybe 6th) richest club in the country. That won't make the difference.

Even if we put a 100K stadium in, we'd still only have less than a thousandth of the available income of Chelsea and City. We still need a manager they will make us better than the sum of our parts.

A bigger stadium would at least close the gap somewhat on Arsenal and maybe even put us ahead of Liverpool (unless they get their's sorted). ManU are out of everyone's league, even though Moyes is doing his best to level the playing field, and Chelsea/City are basically cheating their way to titles.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Liverpool are much richer than us. He's no closer to a title challenge than we are to 4th and he's a far better manager than Timmeh.

Edit:
They also have a truly world class player that they won't keep this summer and are incredibly unlikely to replace in at least the next 5 years.

:lol: if they get top 4 he wont be going anywhere

 

[scaramanga]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

:lol: if they get top 4 he wont be going anywhere

Really? I suspect you're in a tiny minority of two (you and Brenton) who believe that.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood, LVG, FdB, Prandelli, Spendsilli, Bigbelli......it doesnt matter. Levy will not have the patience and we will be welcoming another new manager within 18 months

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Really? I suspect you're in a tiny minority of two (you and Brenton) who believe that.

he is earning over 200k a week, his family seem settled, Liverpool are moving in the right direction, he is playing brilliantly, CL football is almost guaranteed. Oh and more importantly, Liverpool could easily have offloaded him in the summer for massive money but resisted all offers. They will simply do the same again

 

[Rossi22]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Make that three.

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

he is earning over 200k a week, his family seem settled, Liverpool are moving in the right direction, he is playing brilliantly, CL football is almost guaranteed. Oh and more importantly, Liverpool could easily have offloaded him in the summer for massive money but resisted all offers. They will simply do the same again

They resisted one offer of £40,000,001 or something like that. Real never had any solid interest in him.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

They resisted one offer of £40,000,001 or something like that. Real never had any solid interest in him.

it will take a Bale/Ronaldo type offer for Liverpool to even bother with a "interesting offer, but fcuk off anyway" response to the club in question

 

[NWND]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood, LVG, FdB, Prandelli, Spendsilli, Bigbelli......it doesnt matter. Levy will not have the patience and we will be welcoming another new manager within 18 months

Being perfectly fair to Levy, the only manager I think he truly jumped the gun on was Jol. I think Jol was doing ok and there was no massive need for change, IMO. I think Jol was upgradeable, definitely, but the way we went about it and the decision to appoint Ramos, who did not speak English was a flawed strategy. I could see the thinking behind it, but it was flawed nonetheless.

Redknapp was brought in to keep us up, he was never Levy's cup of tea and the two never saw eye-to-eye. Matters clearly came to a head when Levy felt (rightly IMO) that he was let down massively by Redknapp when the club backed him during the court case and stood by him, only for him to come through but openly flirt with and take his eye off the ball when the England job looked like it might be available.

I think the meeting in the summer clearly went badly and Levy felt he could no longer work with Redknapp and I think that was fair enough..

Same with AVB, I think there was clearly a difference of opinion there, which came to a head. I don't necessarily think it was about results on the pitch (although that did not help), but I think if the two saw eye-to-eye I think AVB would have been given until the end of the season.

Levy has a blue-print, which is the Ajax/Dortmund model. We develop talent through the youth set-up and supplement this with the best of young talent from around the world, undervalued players available below their market value (e.g. Adebayor, VDV) and some experienced players (e.g. Naybet, Gallas etc).

There are a lot of rumours that AVB agreed to this during interview, but then fell out with Levy when he didn't get his first-choice targets, like Moutinho, who is an expensive target for a club like us, out of keeping with our general strategy.

its clear for me that AVB and Levy had enough of each other during this meeting and the situation couldn't continue. Better to get rid now, put a temp in charge like Sherwood and plan for the summer.

Levy is no less patient than the majority of Premiership chairmen. Wenger is the only guy that is allowed so much time without success.

Anyway, change is good in most businesses, its never good to have the same people around for too long. Keep evolving, keep changing, that allows new ideas to be brought in and you to keep pace with modern world.

It seems bad at the time and i'm feeling v. emotional after this defeat and a transitional season, but we've had blips (such as when Redknapp took over from Ramos), but generally under levy we're very competitive and up there challenging. I'm pretty sure we will be back up there again in the next year or two, we just have to get through this painful season first

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Really? I suspect you're in a tiny minority of two (you and Brenton) who believe that.

If Liverpool get CL I think the only way he'll leave is to Madrid for a near to world record fee.

Just goes to show what forcing your best players to stay can do for you.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Its not about preventing the mistake these things happen. Neither is it about preventing a loss, as these things happen.

Its about building a consistent and comfortable side that is going to play our game and give them something to think about.

Every two bob midtable or relegation team can set up with some weird defensive park the bus formation and frustrate a top 4 team for an hour before surrendering. Thats not what we should be about. We are tottenham effin hotspur not west ham who incidentally got a point at the bridge by doing exactly what tim did yday but also by virtue of being
massively lucky. Tim was unlucky no doubt with the verts mistake and the pen/red card call but you make your own luck and to dareis to do!

I'd have gone proper 4-3-3 with Townsend and Lennon or Chadli pushed up to support Ade. I'd have played fryers at left back, walker right back and verts and kaboul in defence.

Ah come on. Our performance yesterday was nothing like West Hams. Chelsea had a ridiculous amount of shots and possession against them. Yesterday we had as much possession and as many shots as Chelsea for the first hour or so. We didn't park the bus at all. I wouldn't have set the team up like that in a million years but up to Verts mistake it was working.

If Tim did what you suggested and we got beaten he'd have been labelled tactically inept or naive.

I do think his post match comments will come back and bite him though. Everything he said was right but you don't say those things in public. How is he going to face those players now with them all wondering if he was talking about them. Id imagine that Levy, who runs the operation like a business, will take a very dim view of it too.

I've a horrible feeling that we are on the verge of a spectacular implosion. Ah well, we are Tottenham, it's what we do.

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Make that three.

Four.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

If Liverpool get CL I think the only way he'll leave is to Madrid for a near to world record fee.

Just goes to show what forcing your best players to stay can do for you.

we could have kept Bale for one more year.....he would have been upset, but as soon as the season started he would have been fine. Having said that, im glad hes out of this shambles. Not even Bale could have continued pulling us out of the mire time and time again for another season.

 

[metalgear]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Its not about preventing the mistake these things happen. Neither is it about preventing a loss, as these things happen.

Its about building a consistent and comfortable side that is going to play our game and give them something to think about.

Every two bob midtable or relegation team can set up with some weird defensive park the bus formation and frustrate a top 4 team for an hour before surrendering. Thats not what we should be about. We are tottenham effin hotspur not west ham who incidentally got a point at the bridge by doing exactly what tim did yday but also by virtue of being
massively lucky. Tim was unlucky no doubt with the verts mistake and the pen/red card call but you make your own luck and to dareis to do!

I'd have gone proper 4-3-3 with Townsend and Lennon or Chadli pushed up to support Ade. I'd have played fryers at left back, walker right back and verts and kaboul in defence.

yeah thats it. we played like some kind of two-bob team who didn't believe in ourselves (the way we play). we have no character under sherwood. everything's a crapshoot and with weaker teams we come up on top, but yesterday showed how a crapshoot will go down with proper teams.

I'd dare sherwood to play with the same adventurous spirit against arsenal. if we go down i'd double dare him to blame the players again!

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ah come on. Our performance yesterday was nothing like West Hams. Chelsea had a ridiculous amount of shots and possession against them. Yesterday we had as much possession and as many shots as Chelsea for the first hour or so. We didn't park the bus at all. I wouldn't have set the team up like that in a million years but up to Verts mistake it was working.

If Tim did what you suggested and we got beaten he'd have been labelled tactically inept or naive.

I do think his post match comments will come back and bite him though. Everything he said was right but you don't say those things in public. How is he going to face those players now with them all wondering if he was talking about them. Id imagine that Levy, who runs the operation like a business, will take a very dim view of it too.

I've a horrible feeling that we are on the verge of a spectacular implosion. Ah well, we are Tottenham, it's what we do.

Why will it come back to haunt him? How can anyone agree with the players or disagree with what he said yesterday? He was bang on the money, and if they want to disagree with him they are massively in the wrong again.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

we could have kept Bale for one more year.....he would have been upset, but as soon as the season started he would have been fine. Having said that, im glad hes out of this shambles. Not even Bale could have continued pulling us out of the mire time and time again for another season.

I can see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day, even though we've been awful, we're still not that far away from 4th (by the end of March we will be).

We'd only need him to have pulled us out twice to be level on points with Liverpool. Had we not sold him we might not have signed some of the ****e we have too!