Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[P.D.]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Makes sending Holtby out on loan look even more stupid. I'm fairly sure he has a good attitude and has shown creativity for Fulham.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

A man like Levy :ross: a clueless ***.

So what if the players are wondering? If they don't put a **** load of effort in to put it right then they prove TS is right. I really think this culture or idea of 'protecting the players' and 'leaving it in the dressing room' is a load of crap. If this sort of capitulation has happened once, you can almost excuse it or chalk it up to a one off, an off day. It's the third time it's happened now, alongside losing to garbage like Norwich. The players deserve to be told how utterly poor their standards have dropped to. It's unarguable, TS hasn't gone too far, his reaction was entirely justified

Levy is many things. He ain't clueless.

Levy runs Tottenham like a business. We don't overstretch ourselves financially. We won't try to keep people who want to leave. We're fairly risk averse. Working in that sort of environment, you don't do what Sherwood did yesterday.

The players deserve to be told. But doing it in public is not the way. Do it in private. The phrase "lost the dressing room" is used a lot these days. What Sherwood did yesterday is an action that could lose the dressing room. Glenn Hoddle was right on the SKY yesterday. You do that sort of stuff in private.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

yes

Great. So saying that Levy wants top 4 but has made a bad decision is sort of contradictory to:

Levy couldnt give a flying fcuk what TS does. All TS is doing is filling a hole created by Levy until Levy gets the man he wants

followed by

Levy wants top 4 and he appoints a guy who has never managed a professional group of players before???? thats a good one

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Levy is many things. He ain't clueless.

Levy runs Tottenham like a business. We don't overstretch ourselves financially. We won't try to keep people who want to leave. We're fairly risk averse. Working in that sort of environment, you don't do what Sherwood did yesterday.

The players deserve to be told. But doing it in public is not the way. Do it in private. The phrase "lost the dressing room" is used a lot these days. What Sherwood did yesterday is an action that could lose the dressing room. Glenn Hoddle was right on the SKY yesterday. You do that sort of stuff in private.

well surely Levy knows that Sherwood is volatile, passionate, outspoken??? TS has never been scared to say what he thinks in public, so why would Levy have such a problem with Sherwood doing that yesterday??If Levy does have a problem with it, then im sorry but he is clueless from certain points of view.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Levy is many things. He ain't clueless.

Levy runs Tottenham like a business. We don't overstretch ourselves financially. We won't try to keep people who want to leave. We're fairly risk averse. Working in that sort of environment, you don't do what Sherwood did yesterday.

The players deserve to be told. But doing it in public is not the way. Do it in private. The phrase "lost the dressing room" is used a lot these days. What Sherwood did yesterday is an action that could lose the dressing room. Glenn Hoddle was right on the SKY yesterday. You do that sort of stuff in private.

Sherwood knows he's gone in the summer unless he's gets CL football out of this team I think. So he gambles a bit, takes some risks, including risking alienating some players in the dressing room in the hope of a good reaction that could help jump start our season and chase for 4th. Nothing wrong with that imo.

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Posted on Spurs Community by a user called mrlilywhite.

The problems at our club do not stem from ENIC's inability to spend money, More of a lack of judgement and understanding football. Levy show's time and again that, Although his heart is in the club he makes poor decisions based on his understanding on what we need as a club, The people that advise him on the footballing side of things have made mistake after mistake, And continue to do so. It is easy to say get Baldini out, Sack the physios, Sack the manager, Get rid of all the deadwood and gutless players and start again, But at which point do you stop and address the real issue's when it goes ***'s up again!? Let's look at the fundamental issues that stop us being a club that we can proud of.

1. Managers: Through my time of supporting our club there have been a staggering 24 managers/caretakers at our club that have taken the reigns, In contrast our neighbours, Arsenal have had 23 managers/caretaking staff since 1897, I have supported the club since the mid 70's. Arsenal's longest serving manager is wenger and since his appt, We have had a mind blowing 15 managers try and turn us around and failed to convince the board of their abilities. Since ENIC took full control in 2001, We have had a manager every 1.5 seasons, It is the biggest issue that continues to plague this club. This is the biggest indicator of why we have been so inconsistent. It tells me that we don't have a specific idea of the direction the club wants to go in. I don't understand the real reason why we are always in transition, What I do know is that Levy clearly has an expectation, Though this is not married with a clear direction of where the club is going. To have success in any business, Things need to work like clockwork. When those cogs keep getting changed, It becomes a stop/start affair which ultimately breaks down. Verdict: Stability and vision need addressing.

Just staggering, absolutely staggering.

I personally think we need experience, someone like Van Gaal but then again it might be worth giving Tim a chance, just do with managers what we do with players, make our own. I think Sherwood's time is up and he knows it, looked like a dejected man with nothing to lose.

As for what he said last night.

=D>

tickle my balls with a feather.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

No point in calling out for stability for the sake of stability.

Who was Arsenal manager before Wenger, going by the "we must have stability" opinion he shouldn't have been sacked and thus Wenger wouldn't have gotten the job. Should Liverpool just have stuck with Daglish, or perhaps Hodgson? They've been as much a part of the managerial merry-go-round as us, but now they've found some progress. It's about making the right hiring decision. Long serving managers become long serving because they're successful.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Sherwood knows he's gone in the summer unless he's gets CL football out of this team I think. So he gambles a bit, takes some risks, including risking alienating some players in the dressing room in the hope of a good reaction that could help jump start our season and chase for 4th. Nothing wrong with that imo.

Fair enough mate. We can agree to disagree. Let's see how it pans out. I'm betting United will overtake us and maybe Everton too while we haven't a chance of Europa League.

I was willing to give Tim a shot. After yesterday, I think he's proven he's too green for this sort of job.

 

[indianspur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Great. So saying that Levy wants top 4 but has made a bad decision is sort of contradictory to:



followed by

jesus, if TS somehow flukes top 4 this season then Levy will be happy. If not, Levy will want top 4 next season. Where is the contradiction???Levy wants top 4, we know he does. When i said Levy couldnt give a flying fcuk what TS does it was in reference to your claim that levy will be unhappy by yesterdays rant and will wonder if TS is up to the job. Why will Levy be unhappy??? What did he expect? is he really that stupid to think that TS wouldnt speak out if the players show such a lack of spirit and heart?? Is Levy that blind and arrogant not to know the character of someone he has worked so closely with for so many years???

 

[spurs' magna carter]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Stability or no stability, 9 managers/caretakers in 13 years! All they have to show for their genius decisions is one league cup and one CL campaign.

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Fair enough mate. We can agree to disagree. Let's see how it pans out. I'm betting United will overtake us and maybe Everton too while we haven't a chance of Europa League.

I was willing to give Tim a shot.After yesterday, I think he's proven he's too green for this sort of job.

Can't agree with that assessment from yesterday. His selection and tactics were unconventional yes, but they were working until the Verts slip. Yesterday was the players fault, pure and simple.

We need characters and more importantly winners in our team( much like Sherwood in his playing days). The unfortunate fact is that we haven't got any. Parker, Holtby, Caulker, VDV even Defoe all showed passion and apart from Sandro and Daws, whose legs now let him down, who else do we have to perform that role?

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

No point in calling out for stability for the sake of stability.

Who was Arsenal manager before Wenger, going by the "we must have stability" opinion he shouldn't have been sacked and thus Wenger wouldn't have gotten the job. Should Liverpool just have stuck with Daglish, or perhaps Hodgson? They've been as much a part of the managerial merry-go-round as us, but now they've found some progress. It's about making the right hiring decision. Long serving managers become long serving because they're successful.

Yeah it has to be the right man, but are we seriously saying that out of the 29948097987 managers we've had under Levy, not one of them would have done a bit better with a bit more time, and the club might be a bit further along in our progress as a result? It's stunning that we lurch from manager to manager, assuming we have a divine right to be in the top 4 and thinking random new guy #97967678 is going to solve the issues for us. At no point has Levy thought stability may actually be the answer. Are we seriously saying none of the managers Levy has employed were not good enough to be successful? Is it not possible the issue is with the guy making the decisions in the first place? We've seen the same mistakes repeated too many times now. It's becoming very clear why we are where we are, and why we have blown such a phenomenal opportunity to break the cartel this season.

Either way, Levy is either routinely hiring the wrong people and making bad decisions from that end, or he is making bad decisions by not giving good managers time to build something. He's had enough benefit of the doubt. He's hidden enough behind everybody else now. The microscope needs to arrive at his door.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Levy is many things. He ain't clueless.

Levy runs Tottenham like a business. We don't overstretch ourselves financially. We won't try to keep people who want to leave. We're fairly risk averse. Working in that sort of environment, you don't do what Sherwood did yesterday.

The players deserve to be told. But doing it in public is not the way. Do it in private. The phrase "lost the dressing room" is used a lot these days. What Sherwood did yesterday is an action that could lose the dressing room. Glenn Hoddle was right on the SKY yesterday. You do that sort of stuff in private.

Actually why should it be done in private? What is the tangible effect that will make things any worse than they already are? I simply don't buy it. The players are grown men. They are one of the most talented squads in the league and have managed to take a hammering that should not happen more than once every few years three times in the space of a few months. It is ridiculous.

Levy can run a business. Don't doubt that. I no longer believe he can run a football club though. He's made too many poor decisions. And he's had enough time that we can look back over his time here and pinpoint them all.

 

[Pirate55]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Yeah it has to be the right man, but are we seriously saying that out of the 29948097987 managers we've had under Levy, not one of them would have done a bit better with a bit more time, and the club might be a bit further along in our progress as a result? It's stunning that we lurch from manager to manager, assuming we have a divine right to be in the top 4 and thinking random new guy #97967678 is going to solve the issues for us. At no point has Levy thought stability may actually be the answer. Are we seriously saying none of the managers Levy has employed were not good enough to be successful? Is it not possible the issue is with the guy making the decisions in the first place? We've seen the same mistakes repeated too many times now. It's becoming very clear why we are where we are, and why we have blown such a phenomenal opportunity to break the cartel this season.

Either way, Levy is either routinely hiring the wrong people and making bad decisions from that end, or he is making bad decisions by not giving good managers time to build something. He's had enough benefit of the doubt. He's hidden enough behind everybody else now. The microscope needs to arrive at his door.

Jol wanted a left sided player Redknapp wanted a new striker, AVB wanted a deep lying playmaker. In our wisdom, not one of these managers were given the tools they asked for. Result: failure.

If we don't give the manager the tools he asks for, how can the hope to succeed. Same would apply to Sherwood, LVG, deB or whoever, even SAF IMO.

 

[DHSF]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Yeah it has to be the right man, but are we seriously saying that out of the 29948097987 managers we've had under Levy, not one of them would have done a bit better with a bit more time, and the club might be a bit further along in our progress as a result? It's stunning that we lurch from manager to manager, assuming we have a divine right to be in the top 4 and thinking random new guy #97967678 is going to solve the issues for us. At no point has Levy thought stability may actually be the answer. Are we seriously saying none of the managers Levy has employed were not good enough to be successful? Is it not possible the issue is with the guy making the decisions in the first place? We've seen the same mistakes repeated too many times now. It's becoming very clear why we are where we are, and why we have blown such a phenomenal opportunity to break the cartel this season.

Either way, Levy is either routinely hiring the wrong people and making bad decisions from that end, or he is making bad decisions by not giving good managers time to build something. He's had enough benefit of the doubt. He's hidden enough behind everybody else now. The microscope needs to arrive at his door.

Im not going to harp on about this but as far as im concerned... we did have someone who worked... his name was Harry. People can use all the stats they want etc but we were successful in terms of being competitive.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

jesus, if TS somehow flukes top 4 this season then Levy will be happy. If not, Levy will want top 4 next season. Where is the contradiction???Levy wants top 4, we know he does. When i said Levy couldnt give a flying fcuk what TS does it was in reference to your claim that levy will be unhappy by yesterdays rant and will wonder if TS is up to the job. Why will Levy be unhappy??? What did he expect? is he really that stupid to think that TS wouldnt speak out if the players show such a lack of spirit and heart?? Is Levy that blind and arrogant not to know the character of someone he has worked so closely with for so many years???

The contradiction is you saying Levy doesn't care about what Sherwood does because he can't have expected top 4 by appointing someone like Sherwood in the first place and Tim is only in the job to fill a gap. The inference was that Levy wrote off the season when he appointed Tim. Now you've admitted that isnt the case because Levy does actually care about top 4.

The first rule of management is criticise in private. That's what the great managers do. Look at Wenger. We destroyed them 5-1 and he went on tv and, with a straight face, said Arsenal were the better side. Do you think he actually believed that? That he went into training the next day and said "Don't worry boys, we were the better side. Keep doing what you did last night". Fergie blamed everything from the ref to the fixture list to the colour of the jerseys for defeats. You think he believed that? When did any great manager do what Tim did yesterday?

I never knew Tim to be particularly outspoken. In fact, most of the objections to his appointment here were because of his sneakiness and politics within the club. That's the opposite of what you're claiming he is. Either way, by appointing him into the role, Levy will have expected a certain level of public behaviour and yesterday wasn't it.

Like I say. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Im betting on United overhauling us, maybe Everton too, us going out of the Europa to Benfica and Tim on the dole by June.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Jol wanted a left sided player Redknapp wanted a new striker, AVB wanted a deep lying playmaker. In our wisdom, not one of these managers were given the tools they asked for. Result: failure.

If we don't give the manager the tools he asks for, how can the hope to succeed. Same would apply to Sherwood, LVG, deB or whoever, even SAF IMO.

Agreed mate.

 

[Jordinho]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Hoddle, Jol, Ramos, Redknapp, even AVB. I don't even count Santini. For various reasons they all had to go. Hoddle, his signings left a LOT to be desired, but at least it got Levy to make some drastic and necessary changes. Jol should have gone a lot sooner IMO. The last three simply reached a point where their position became untenable. Doesn't mean hiring any of them was a mistake in the first place. Solid cases can be made for all of them.

 

[Nigeyman]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Levy is many things. He ain't clueless.

Levy runs Tottenham like a business. We don't overstretch ourselves financially. We won't try to keep people who want to leave. We're fairly risk averse. Working in that sort of environment, you don't do what Sherwood did yesterday.

The players deserve to be told. But doing it in public is not the way. Do it in private. The phrase "lost the dressing room" is used a lot these days. What Sherwood did yesterday is an action that could lose the dressing room. Glenn Hoddle was right on the SKY yesterday. You do that sort of stuff in private.

dont agree with this at all... Glenns just been waiting to thrust the knife into tim.

Why should footballers have their precious ego's protected....there all for publicly slamming refs...we see it on the pitch...or do you think rooney shoulod confine his berating of the refs to the dressing room.

Football needs more Sherwoods...his comments have been pretty much lauded by fans everywhere as refreshing and honest.

 

[DeanoAustin]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Actually why should it be done in private? What is the tangible effect that will make things any worse than they already are? I simply don't buy it. The players are grown men. They are one of the most talented squads in the league and have managed to take a hammering that should not happen more than once every few years three times in the space of a few months. It is ridiculous.

Tim's job is to get the best out of his players. The test of his skills is how he does that when things are going against him.

Criticising the players like he did yesterday will not get the reaction he wants. It doesn't matter if "it cant get worse". His job as manager is to make things get better.