Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I think AVB realised that Levy just didn't have a clue to be honest, and got out before he would be associated with a further mess. Clever guy.

In what respect does Levy not have a clue BOL? In terms of making us the 14th richest club in the world despite only having been in the champions league once, moderate success and a relatively small stadium? Or in his time overseeing us having consistently been involved in European football, 4x5th place finishes and 2x4th place finishes? No you're right AVB is the clever guy despite having the man management skills of a Vlad Putin on an Ukranian away day.

 

[NWND]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

if he played the same team every game youd probably complain that hed make us predictable and easy to figure out. Mourinho is known to study and exploit weaknesses and prepare teams against the smallest detail so for TS to throw a curvball is not bad management at all.

we didnt lose today because of tactics

No we didnt lose today because of that but we did capitulate because of it

because of tactics, mentality and preparation

I looked at that team and set up and in terms of shape and quality it said midtable also ran and i thought would look solid stifling the game at 0-0 but would most likely get spannered as soon as it conceeded and sure enough....

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

We may have 'stifled' them, but I reckon Chelsea were there for the taking today. They've had issues up front and scoring goals. But, we never really looked like scoring ourselves. Too much backward and sideways passing. Ade (yes, Ade) aside, we have no match-winners or game changers. We had no cutting edge (which I guess can happen when you play with one striker). Both before the game and during it, I figured Chelsea would win 1-0. One goal would be all they needed against us. But of course, our individual errors took care of that anyway.

BTW, when Chelsea signed Eto, he came cheap and they only signed him for a season. So, even though he had never played in it before, they must have figured he wouldn't take long to settle in or adjust to the PL. So, how come we spent 30 mil on a striker who was on the bench today and who some keep saying needs time to settle in and adjust?

But Mourinho is one of the best managers in the world and he has managed to settle his team into a system of play why would Chelsea be there for the taking at the business end of the season? The best we could hope for was a draw or to nick a win with a bit of luck but the odds of either were very long. Tim's tactics set us up for that I thought. To put it into perspective, Ferguson, Pellegrini, Wenger, Martinez, Benitez and Rodgers have all failed to beat Mourinho at the Bridge in the PL.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'd probably forgive today's game if we beat Arsenal next week...at least in the short term...

 

[NWND]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

But Mourinho is one of the best managers in the world and he has managed to settle his team into a system of play why would Chelsea be there for the taking at the business end of the season? The best we could hope for was a draw or to nick a win with a bit of luck but the odds of either were very long. Tim's tactics set us up for that I thought. To put it into perspective, Ferguson, Pellegrini, Wenger, Martinez, Benitez and Rodgers have all failed to beat Mourinho at the Bridge in the PL.

Ffs wake up people there is losing to mourinho at stamford bridge and there is bending over like a team such as West Brom getting flattened with little or no effort from the home side while Petr Cech probably read a chapter of his new book he had so little to do!

We have players who are far far better than that so the problem is the manager!

We all saw the 7 players we signed in the summer excel for their former clubs and national teams - we all saw Dembele for fulham and sig for swansea and wanted them - these are good players being terribly mismanaged .

We had enough quality to make Chelsea work for the win and give them a nervy evening but like mourinho said afterwards we didnt scare them.

We surrendered meekly. Screw holding out until 55 mins even poor teams have managed to park the bus for that long at the bridge this season. They bend over as soon as the first goal goes in though, much like we did!

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'd probably forgive today's game if we beat Arsenal next week...at least in the short term...

We need something. Feel very flat, hard to continually be the butt of everyone's jokes.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'd probably forgive today's game if we beat Arsenal next week...at least in the short term...

yeah, but we wont win next week we both know that don't we. We might get lucky and get one of our draws against them. My money is on that **** new striker they have upfront scoring his first league goal and then becoming the new henry. You know the story.

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ironically today was the first time I applauded Tim Sherwood. I genuinely sympathised with him and glad to see someone who represents the club share an ounce of the disappoint we feel with every defeat.

We love this club. I can accept a defeat as long as we give it our all. The players need some professional pride and learn some mental toughness. They love feeling sorry for themselves. They just wait for an excuse.

Not sure what we can do to rectify this other than yet another huge upheavel of the squad.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

yeah, but we wont win next week we both know that don't we. We might get lucky and get one of our draws against them. My money is on that **** new striker they have upfront scoring his first league goal and then becoming the new henry. You know the story.

just to clarify i called him s h i t not any other 4 letter word.

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

yeah, but we wont win next week we both know that don't we. We might get lucky and get one of our draws against them. My money is on that **** new striker they have upfront scoring his first league goal and then becoming the new henry. You know the story.

Yep I genuinely don't think we are good enough

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ffs wake up people there is losing to mourinho at stamford bridge and there is bending over like a team such as West Brom getting flattened with little or no effort from the home side while Petr Cech probably read a chapter of his new book he had so little to do!

We have players who are far far better than that so the problem is the manager!

We all saw the 7 players we signed in the summer excel for their former clubs and national teams - we all saw Dembele for fulham and sig for swansea and wanted them - these are good players being terribly mismanaged .

We had enough quality to make Chelsea work for the win and give them a nervy evening but like mourinho said afterwards we didnt scare them.

We surrendered meekly. Screw holding out until 55 mins even poor teams have managed to park the bus for that long at the bridge this season. They bend over as soon as the first goal goes in though, much like we did!

Mate I love your posts and normally agree but you have to answer my question, what would you have done differently? I felt the tactics were good, better than anything I have seen this season. I want us to win every ****ing game and I tell you I am ****ed today. but I don't see it as the manager's fault today -against Norwich yes, today no. You are talking business end of the season, one of the best managers in the world tactically. Had we not had the brain farts who knows how it could have gone. We were certainly not being overrun up til that point.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ironically today was the first time I applauded Tim Sherwood. I genuinely sympathised with him and glad to see someone who represents the club share an ounce of the disappoint we feel with every defeat.

We love this club. I can accept a defeat as long as we give it our all. The players need some professional pride and learn some mental toughness. They love feeling sorry for themselves. They just wait for an excuse.

Not sure what we can do to rectify this other than yet another huge upheavel of the squad.

But we do not need another massive upheavel because we have a director of football.

Yeah I agree Sherwood did quite well today, got it wrong against Norwich but today was not his fault. I wonder if LGV will care as much next year.

A part of me thinks that will happen is LGV will come in and do ok but after 16/18 months have an argument and **** off while we are in 6th place. In the mean time Sherwood will have gotten a championship team to the prem and be looking like a decent manager. I am not a Sherwood fan boy or anything, just think this being Tottenham this is how it will go.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Mate I love your posts and normally agree but you have to answer my question, what would you have done differently? I felt the tactics were good, better than anything I have seen this season. I want us to win every ****ing game and I tell you I am ****ed today. but I don't see it as the manager's fault today -against Norwich yes, today no. You are talking business end of the season, one of the best managers in the world tactically. Had we not had the brain farts who knows how it could have gone. We were certainly not being overrun up til that point.

Exactly Norwich was poor but today I thought up to the first goal we were comfortable. We lost but it was a decent loss for Sherwood. Some of the players on the other hand can fuc.k off. Kaboul reminds me off king how he looks a bit rusty when he does come back from an injury.

 

[diego_maradona]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not to turn this into an AVB v Tim discussion but he must feel somewhat vindicated by todays result. 5-1 and 4-0 thrashings since his departure.

Perhaps he and Tim are both very good managers but the mix of this squad is completely wrong.

Lack of balance, lack of character. When Adebayor is your leader on the football pitch you know you've got problems

 

[Robspur12]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not to turn this into an AVB v Tim discussion but he must feel somewhat vindicated by todays result. 5-1 and 4-0 thrashings since his departure.

Perhaps he and Tim are both very good managers but the mix of this squad is completely wrong.

Lack of balance, lack of character. When Adebayor is your leader on the football pitch you know you've got problems

Nah mate sorry to be contrary but the thrashings under Tim were very different to the City and pool games under AVB where we were never in those games.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Not to turn this into an AVB v Tim discussion but he must feel somewhat vindicated by todays result. 5-1 and 4-0 thrashings since his departure.

Perhaps he and Tim are both very good managers but the mix of this squad is completely wrong.

Lack of balance, lack of character. When Adebayor is your leader on the football pitch you know you've got problems

Sure the one constant would be Levy at the circumstances he places his managers in. Do you reckon the guy has enough self awareness to question whether he needs to change his style of leadership and how he runs the club?

I imagine the ones who keep telling me levy makes a profit on transfers will still defend him.

Concerning our mix of players I honestly have no idea what demebele brings to the team or Paulinho and lennon has not reached the level he should, townsend is not learning to pass or cross when he should we lack from creativity and a lack of leaders. I would start again with a focus on younger/british players with a sprinkling of foreign players.

One reason why I keep saying I want Inglethorpe as manager is because of his time with our youth team and he could help us save money while we build the stadium.

 

[spasm]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ironically today was the first time I applauded Tim Sherwood. I genuinely sympathised with him and glad to see someone who represents the club share an ounce of the disappoint we feel with every defeat.

We love this club. I can accept a defeat as long as we give it our all. The players need some professional pride and learn some mental toughness. They love feeling sorry for themselves. They just wait for an excuse.

Not sure what we can do to rectify this other than yet another huge upheavel of the squad.

could not have said it better myself..

 

[90291Spur]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Ironically today was the first time I applauded Tim Sherwood. I genuinely sympathised with him and glad to see someone who represents the club share an ounce of the disappoint we feel with every defeat.

We love this club. I can accept a defeat as long as we give it our all. The players need some professional pride and learn some mental toughness. They love feeling sorry for themselves. They just wait for an excuse.

Not sure what we can do to rectify this other than yet another huge upheavel of the squad.

I just watched his post match interview and it was refreshing to see a manager/head coach show how hard a defeat hurt. I also respect him calling out that there are some players he can't count on. Different people will have differing views on the whether it it the players of Sherwood who shoulder the bulk of the responsibility for the capitulation, but the fact remains that we were undone by stupid mistakes and a less than stonewall penalty. And the first half performance, while it didn't yield many or any clear-cut chances, stifled Chel$ki and showed that Sherwood is not afraid to try something different.

The fact is that this season was a write-off from early on and sadly this club has become a joke again, which hurts all the more for being so close to what seemed to be a major change. And Tim's short contract and all the speculation about high-profile replacements mean he has nothing to lose and valuable experience to gain.

And underneath all the turmoil and tribulation I'd still support this lot if they were an actual pub team, rather than a team of millionaires who often play like a pub team.

TTID
COYS
SUIYHA
ETC.

 

[Lilywhite]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I still don't rate Tim as a manager (yet), although I don't blame him for taking the job and feel he needed more qualifications before doing so and that it was a lazy idea by Levy to give him the reins. But...

I have lots more respect for him now I've heard his post match interview. None of this 'we were unlucky' ******** most managers would spout, he laid down the law and I for one agree with him. He was bang on the money as far as I'm concerned, I watched about half our players just not show any care in the world/give up and it is really painful to see as a fan.

The unfortunate thing is modern footballers don't react well to criticism so this could really kill our season but I'm glad he stood up for the club and held the players responsible today cos we were doing a decent job but once things went against us the players lied down and took it up the ****, which is frankly disturbing to watch.

P.S. BrainOfLevy, glad to see you around again, you hadn't posted in awhile. You kept ensuring us that Liverpool and Arsenal would drop off around February and that we would take advantage, you were very convincing to some people, but like I said that just never looked like happening and looks like I was right. Still reckon this average team with an underqualified manager has a chance of 4th? I'd take 5th right now, absolutely no qualms about it, cos I could foresee a situation where Everton and Man United overtake us TBH.

 

[metalgear]

Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

You can't have players in a new position without expecting mistakes.

Huge gamble by Sherwood didn't pay off, worse than avb IMO as he didn't pay heed to our previous encounter, and threw caution to the wind.

What's crazy is that we were fighting 100% in the midfield with everyone there...no one in attack and a high defensive line that could leave us vulnerable. So it was pretty much a melee, and we wouldn't be able to orchestrate an attack with all those new players in their new roles.....so it was something to lose.

Focal point of Chelsea was Sandro he was overwhelmed in midfield , had to cover a lot In defence, yet no help from Bentaleb , no call to drop the line deeper.

Mourinho played a two half game...as we have seen many times this season. Clearly daring with half time substitution was able to capitalize on our weakness in the centre. Sherwood did not respond and we were under even more pressure, that forced the mistakes.

Did Sherwood apologize for his selection and tactics that failed?