Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

[parklane1]

If we really are talking about signing Owen i will give up, he has been finished for years.

 

[Mulletperm]

Owen??? Bahahahaha

 

[markysimmo]

Owen the greediest **** in footballing history

 

[DHSF]

Imagine we sign Owen and Carroll


haha that would be pretty funny - wont happen. Actually Carroll will happen and was always going to happen in my opinion.

 

[braineclipse]

I find the Damiao tweets cringeworthy - he has a 47m buyout clause, ffs - get a fudging grip!

Internacional even confirmed they have no reason to sell any cheaper.

We dont stand any hope, imv. not a snowballs chance in hell. As for Llorente - unfortunately he's looking for CL football so we'd struggle to match Juve in that regard

Wouldn't be the first time a club said one thing in public and did another thing when actually in negotiations.

 

[WhoopWhoop]

Agent itk stoops lower then a rattlesnakes belly!

 

[ArcspacE]

Wouldn't be the first time a club said one thing in public and did another thing when actually in negotiations.

Why would a club sell a player for less than half of his buy-out clause especailly when they are not in financial trouble or in desperate need of funds?

Makes zero sense - willing to bet we will NOT sign him - at least not for the peanuts we'd be offering

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Isnt it the case that they have to have the buy out by law (cant recall why)? And so if they *have* to have it they set it prohibitively high as a means to protect themselves. They arent an absolute value.

 

[ArcspacE]

Yes - the buyout is largerly insurance but it's derrived mostly from the player's contract value and perceived market value.

So even if they're willing to negotiate on that (plausible) - do you think they would sell a 47m rated asset for 18-20m? Personally, I can't see that happening, bearing in mind what Chelsea had to pay for Oscar who is in number of ways far less 'proven' than Damiao

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

In general I dont see it as an absolute. I think it is usually stupidly high just to protect the club, a buy out is of course something they cannot control so of course they put it into the extreme. So no, I dont think it is derived by player contract and perceived market value - I think its that and "add £20m just for good measure".

I also think if a club is interested in selling a player they will have a more reasonable expectation of what he is worth/what they can achieve for him, that is nothing to do with buyout clauses.

When clubs spout off about these buy out values I think its usually the case they are telling any interested parties "Dont lowball us"

 

[rosenthal]

Apparently made a bid for M'villa. Don't know much about him aside from he's supposed to be a good player with attitude problems. Fail to see how he could be a possible replacement for Modric if he's a defensive midfielder as per the article.

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/tottenham-hotspur-table-a-bid-for-yann-mvila

AVB clearly want our midfielders to be athletic, with both Jenas and Livermore playing a lot so far.
M'Vila interest wouldnt surprise me. There's more to M'Vila than just defensive play,
he' often put into the limited dm category as most big and black midfielders are, but M'Vila is much more of an all rounder and a complete midfielder.
There are defensive midfielders who do that role better than him, and obviously playmakers that do better than him in that field,
but there arent many who combine the two roles as good as M'Vila.

 

[milo]

In general I dont see it as an absolute. I think it is usually stupidly high just to protect the club, a buy out is of course something they cannot control so of course they put it into the extreme. So no, I dont think it is derived by player contract and perceived market value - I think its that and "add £20m just for good measure".

I also think if a club is interested in selling a player they will have a more reasonable expectation of what he is worth/what they can achieve for him, that is nothing to do with buyout clauses.

When clubs spout off about these buy out values I think its usually the case they are telling any interested parties "Dont lowball us"

Spot on. Internacional are just trying to start an auction, his sale price will be determined by how many and who comes in for him.

 

[rosenthal]

Mohammed Abdealloue

3m is a very good deal, around Defoe's level but slightly more suited for a lone striker role.
Although it must be said his availability is due to Mame Biram Diouf (Man Utd, Blackburn) taken his place in the first team, with a strong 6 goals in 10 games start to his Bundesliga career.

Abdealloue scored a decent goal against United yesterday

[video=youtube;qp5yMWTy4fY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp5yMWTy4fY[/video]

 

[braineclipse]

Why would a club sell a player for less than half of his buy-out clause especailly when they are not in financial trouble or in desperate need of funds?

Makes zero sense - willing to bet we will NOT sign him - at least not for the peanuts we'd be offering

Like nayim has already said, it's normally set really high even so high that it rarely comes into play to protect the club.

My point is just that I don't understand why a comment from Internacional should be enough to end all speculations? To me these kinds of "oooooooone million doooollars" comments from clubs are rarely actually backed up when in negotiations.

Yes - the buyout is largerly insurance but it's derrived mostly from the player's contract value and perceived market value.

So even if they're willing to negotiate on that (plausible) - do you think they would sell a 47m rated asset for 18-20m? Personally, I can't see that happening, bearing in mind what Chelsea had to pay for Oscar who is in number of ways far less 'proven' than Damiao

You'll have to explain what the contract value has to do with it, I don't understand.

It's less about perceived market value and more about an optimistic estimate of what the player will be worth 2-3 years after signing the contract then adding quite a bit just to be sure.

Yes, I do think it's plausible (at least) that they will be willing to negotiate. I don't think that just because he has a buyout clause of 47m that they actually rate him at 47m though.

I also fail to see how Oscar was (far) less proven than Damiao. Similar amount of games in the Brazilian league and for the national team, but 2-3 years younger, if anything that makes him a hotter prospect imo.

 

[milo]

AVB clearly want our midfielders to be athletic, with both Jenas and Livermore playing a lot so far.

I think that the only reason Jenas and Livermore have been playing is because no one else is fit or available

 

[ArcspacE]

In general I dont see it as an absolute. I think it is usually stupidly high just to protect the club, a buy out is of course something they cannot control so of course they put it into the extreme. So no, I dont think it is derived by player contract and perceived market value - I think its that and "add £20m just for good measure".

I also think if a club is interested in selling a player they will have a more reasonable expectation of what he is worth/what they can achieve for him, that is nothing to do with buyout clauses.

When clubs spout off about these buy out values I think its usually the case they are telling any interested parties "Dont lowball us"

To be honest, what you think matters little in this particular instance - perhaps spend some time re-searching the and you will see how wrong you actually are.

But besides that - Internacional are NOT interested in selling the player (compare to us, for example in informing a suitable offer would see Modric go) but even if they were - his buy-out clause is always a point of consideration, as much as you are attempting to suggest otherwise.

And even if his buy-out clause was non-existent - do you genuinely believe we could sign Brazil's starting striker and a rising international star for 18-20m considering what is being paid around for his far lesser 'known' team-mates?

 

[milo]

To be honest, what you think matters little in this particular instance - perhaps spend some time re-searching the and you will see how wrong you actually are.

But besides that - Internacional are NOT interested in selling the player (compare to us, for example in informing a suitable offer would see Modric go) but even if they were - his buy-out clause is always a point of consideration, as much as you are attempting to suggest otherwise.

And even if his buy-out clause was non-existent - do you genuinely believe we could sign Brazil's starting striker and a rising international star for 18-20m considering what is being paid around for his far lesser 'known' team-mates?

Arcy, there is no need to post like that. It starts arguments and ruins threads. Please calm down a little and post politely.

 

[ArcspacE]

Like nayim has already said, it's normally set really high even so high that it rarely comes into play to protect the club.

My point is just that I don't understand why a comment from Internacional should be enough to end all speculations? To me these kinds of "oooooooone million doooollars" comments from clubs are rarely actually backed up when in negotiations.

The comment from them does not end all speculation - it's was a reference to the numerous tweets insinuating we've practically signed him, when in reality his club have indicated they're are not interesting in selling him cheap - hence the reference to his buy-out clause. I ask again - do you think the reported 18-20 (even 15 in some instances) would be enough to prise him away? Have a look at our Modric situation for example

 

[stupid632]

Just seen on Twitter Damiao will be announced at 6 P.M. The bloke who said it seems to be a nobody not your usual ITK :s.

 

[ArcspacE]

Arcy, there is no need to post like that. It starts arguments and ruins threads. Please calm down a little and post politely.

What exactly is rude about my post - please point it our and I will gladly retract my comment and apologise?

Do I have to accept what posters say they think eventhough some of the suggestions are considerably off the mark?