Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
No just you and that fudgewit wiziwig. You clown! You must be so proud, that you are in the same category as that tool?
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No just you and that fudgewit wiziwig. You clown! You must be so proud, that you are in the same category as that tool?
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
That was not the point I was making, the point was if you separate Gypsies from the "white community" for the sake of the argument you would have more issues with gypsies than the non gypsy white community of which there are more. As I have done for the last two days I have tried to discuss the %'s of issues per community.
I will put it another way, I lived in Thurrock, approx 140,000 people when I lived there, the Gypsy community caused more criminal issues, anti social activities, stole, dumped rubbish, made threats, left horses to roam free, had fights, smashed pubs, robbed people in lakeside shopping centre, set up deals to rob shops by way of threats. Now for a small community in their 100s to cause more issues than the local 140,000 they are doing well for themselves. The % of their community that are fudging living like scum is far greater % than the people of Thurrock so this "there are issues in all areas" does not stack up for me, because the % of travellers that live within the law is far smaller than many others.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
I accept your explanation, but I fail to see why you brought race into it. How are they non white? Earlier on we made the distinction between this group, who are ethnically Irish and Romani Gypsies.
What are your thoughts on George Galloway?
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
My Grandad was in Burma and my nan built rolls royce engine for bombers but they didn't do that so a community could come in and take what they wanted for free and then have people defend it by saying its a way of life or they are not all like that despite the vast majority of them being like that.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
They must have been very different from my grand dad then. He fought for freedom and anti fascism. He was a good socialist too.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Where did I ever state support for that? Do try harder Scara. All I did was to protest against comparing them to the "white community" and descriptions of them as vermin, do keep up.
I didn't say what you quoted.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Well a community that goes to my aunts, steals her electric so she gets a huge bill which scares her half to death are Vermin and these acts are not to be confused as "one offs"
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Hm. in some respects I thought he was on the money, but not of late. Ego got the better of him. A very intelligent man, who ran rings around the hypocrisy of the Americans when he testified before that congressional hearing. His speech was a tour de force. Cannot say That I support him today.
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Ok my use of the wording was bad, but the point remains the same, larger portions of the traveller community cause issues than the same number of ANY other I know, within proportion.
The fact they have no fixed address or ways of tracking them post criminal activity makes it even worse.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Grays_1890
Chris Jones
My grandad believed in freedom to doing an honest days work for an honest days pay, community spirit and would do anything for anyone. Pretty decent morals that Travellers don't live by.
He would give them a clip round the ear the same way he did to those stealing his ladders that were locked to the side of his house from his decorating days.
Lemonade Money
Les Medley
@Gilzeantoscore, what is your personal experience of pikeys? IMO, if anyone has a good word to say about them, it is the exception to the rule.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Highly ironic that you personally categorise people, seemingly into easily labelled groups like "fudgewit" and "tool", mere moments after grandstanding about - and I quote -
"I draw the line at dismissing a whole category of people as 'vermin.'"
"I'm a socialist and I do not approve of fascist labels to any group"
"I have zero tolerance for fascist rhetoric"
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
As I said at the out set, I went to school with Romani Gypsies, none with travellers as specified here. That is not my point, I just object to people being described as vermin.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Oh, oh sorry about that misunderstanding... I do have prejudices against two types of people... fascists and fools. Guess which category you fall into?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
You think I care how YOU decide to judge and pigeon hole people? Ill give you a clue - I dont.
Just pointing out the hypocrisy of someone shouting down others, while doing the exact same thing.