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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*

Glenda's Legs said:
I was just typing the same thing about the “if” and the fact that it ought to have been scripted by our PR team that he did not say that.

“I am sorry for the distress and offence my comments caused”. Job done. (Kind of).

I hope our PR team are more on the ball for his first press conference as it’s going to come up again.
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Our PR team is currently poor. I suspect they are being 'guided' by one of the Tweedle Twins. The days of Simon Feldstein are long gone.
 
At a certain point, we are where we are.
De Zerbi divides opinion in several ways.
His actions will always have to speak louder than his words.

I think the truth regarding Greenwood (and this is MY opinion only) is that he simply didn't really think too much about what he had done because DeZerbi is so football-obsessed that's all he sees. So when asked about wanting him and playing him at Marseille, I don't think he was necessarily 'defending' Greenwood at all, I genuinely don't think he thought too much about it. He is an obsessed and somewhat relentless egotistical knobbhead from what I have seen. As someone said here recently, many top managers are.

He is 46 years old. He was 42/43 at the time of Greenwood. Maybe he is still learning and developing as a human being (I hope so, we all should be). His use of language is not always great for sure. But again, we are where we are. He has somewhat addressed the issue, I agree with those who say it will come up again until the club actually help him either articulate his truth or dress his truth in universally-palatable clothes, and here he is. Our manager.

I thought @tommysvr 's idea was great. For those of us who are uncomfortable with his expressed position, make that donation if it makes us feel better.

And I have to be honest, I will move on with regards to him being here and managing the club because he is here, he is manager, and it is what it is.

I will even take his expressed sentiments as an earnest attempt to show that he earnestly does regret the whole Greenwood fiasco.

I hope he has developed as a leader too, because the bloke I have known/seen is an arsssehole who blows things up.
We can't have that. Again, don't mistake being tough with being an arsssssehole.

So here's hoping it works out. For the club and us.
 
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thfcsteff said:
At a certain point, we are where we are.
De Zerbi divides opinion in several ways.
His actions will always have to speak louder than his words.

I think the truth regarding Greenwood (and this is MY opinion only) is that he simply didn't really think too much about what he had done because DeZerbi is so football-obsessed that's all he sees. So when asked about wanting him and playing him at Marseille, I don't think he was necessarily 'defending' Greenwood at all, I genuinely don't think he thought too much about it. He is an obsessed and somewhat relentless egotistical knobbhead from what I have seen. As someone said here recently, many top managers are.

He is 46 years old. He was 42/43 at the time of Greenwood. Maybe he is still learning and developing as a human being (I hope so, we all should be). His use of language is not always great for sure. But again, we are where we are. He has somewhat addressed the issue, I agree with those who say it will come up again until the club actually help him either articulate his truth or dress his truth in universally-palatable clothes, and here he is. Our manager.

I thought @tommysvr 's idea was great. For those of us who are uncomfortable with his position, make that donation if it makes us feel better.
And I have to be honest, I will move on with regards to him being here and managing the club because he is here, he is manager, and it is what it is.
I will even take his expressed sentiments as an earnest attempt to show that he earnestly does regret the whole Greenwood fiasco.
I hope he has developed as a leader too, because the bloke I have known/seen is an arsssehole who blows things up.
We can't have that. Again, don't mistake being tough with being an arsssssehole.

So here's hoping it works out. For the club and us.
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So in a nutshell De Zerbi DeZerbs a chance
 
I’ve been supportive of the appointment on here and to friends on group chats etc. I do think he is a top manager and plays the type of football I like to see. Defended him as not being Greenwood so it’s not the same.

Today I was watching the interview with him and my wife was in the room at the same time. It came to the Greenwood part. She asked me what happened and I had to explain to her the Greenwood twitter leak and then DeZerbo activley trying to sign him and defending him.

Have to be honest saying it loud I started to get quite emotional thinking about my 6 year old daughter and the though of her ever being in that situation.

Does it change my mind or support of DeZerbi as manager. No. But I certainly feel more aligned to the fans who took issue with it including those on here. @thfcsteff who I engaged with most.
 
thfcsteff said:
At a certain point, we are where we are.
De Zerbi divides opinion in several ways.
His actions will always have to speak louder than his words.

I think the truth regarding Greenwood (and this is MY opinion only) is that he simply didn't really think too much about what he had done because DeZerbi is so football-obsessed that's all he sees. So when asked about wanting him and playing him at Marseille, I don't think he was necessarily 'defending' Greenwood at all, I genuinely don't think he thought too much about it. He is an obsessed and somewhat relentless egotistical knobbhead from what I have seen. As someone said here recently, many top managers are.

He is 46 years old. He was 42/43 at the time of Greenwood. Maybe he is still learning and developing as a human being (I hope so, we all should be). His use of language is not always great for sure. But again, we are where we are. He has somewhat addressed the issue, I agree with those who say it will come up again until the club actually help him either articulate his truth or dress his truth in universally-palatable clothes, and here he is. Our manager.

I thought @tommysvr 's idea was great. For those of us who are uncomfortable with his position, make that donation if it makes us feel better.
And I have to be honest, I will move on with regards to him being here and managing the club because he is here, he is manager, and it is what it is.
I will even take his expressed sentiments as an earnest attempt to show that he earnestly does regret the whole Greenwood fiasco.
I hope he has developed as a leader too, because the bloke I have known/seen is an arsssehole who blows things up.
We can't have that. Again, don't mistake being tough with being an arsssssehole.

So here's hoping it works out. For the club and us.
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Its actually quite similar to the Aurier situation. He came in under the cloud of a historic homophobic slur. There was a fan reaction to that. He was though contrite about it when he arrived and kept his nose clean throughout his time with us, so it never became an issue. Hopefully this will go a similar way
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Thing is, the criminal investigation was dropped and the civil investigation commissioned by Man Utd found that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that they were satisfied MG had not committed the acts he was accussed of. Therefore, there was no rape, domestic violence or coercive control to apologise for or belittle according to official statements from an investigation and so i just do not understand this "words were poor", "poor show" attitude towards De Zerbi.
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Thing is, the criminal investigation was only dropped because the key witness refused to testify.

As for Man Utd, suffice to say there was enough evidence for them to ensure he never played for them again.
 
harr1984 said:
He's not demanding brownie points, he's saying he has a daughter so understands the situation - literally the same thing many a person has said.

Some people really aren't happy unless they have something to whinge about. Good reason for supporting Spurs I guess.....
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I really don't want to go on and on about this anymore than you do, but what do you mean here? What is he saying 'he understands because he has a daughter'?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Don't think its unprofessional at all. No matter what was said, people would interpret and kick off. Its the age of division, drama and keyboard warriors. There are a great many people that actually don't think he has done anything worth apologising for at all. But as always some like the THST have chosen to speak for all, and others think their own thoughts and words are the only right ones.
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...on both sides. It's not mutually exclusive to one side. To be clear.
 
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What a load of absolute fudging brick. You should be ashamed of posting garbage like this. Same for those who liked it.

"The vast majority are performative, virtue signalling, self important simpletons"

We're talking about sexual fudging assault and rape here. If you can't understand the world shattering affects that has on people, how victims are dragged through the mud for even considering making a complaint or a criminal report, have to relive the experience throughout the process and then over and over see people in power seemingly get away with it, then you're part of the problem. RDZ may not over committed any offence himself, but this is just so wildly offensive and dumb.
 
harr1984 said:
He's not demanding brownie points, he's saying he has a daughter so understands the situation - literally the same thing many a person has said.

Some people really aren't happy unless they have something to whinge about. Good reason for supporting Spurs I guess.....
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I don't have a daughter. I don't need a daughter. It's still pretty fudging clear to me.
 
tommysvr said:
I don't have a daughter. I don't need a daughter. It's still pretty fudging clear to me.
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If you don't think that having a daughter (in most instances) heightens/sharpens sensitivity, perspective and fear around this...then you clearly don't have a daughter. And while that might not have been quite your point, I rather expect it was De Zerbi's.
Which is not to say those who aren't parents to a female do not have empathy and understanding, or that it's only the birth of a girl that can give someone clarity. But I am very aware of people who have experienced a dramatic change in their views and thoughts when they suddenly become responsible for the care and safety of a little girl.
 
tommysvr said:
What a load of absolute fudging brick. You should be ashamed of posting garbage like this. Same for those who liked it.

"The vast majority are performative, virtue signalling, self important simpletons"

We're talking about sexual fudging assault and rape here. If you can't understand the world shattering affects that has on people, how victims are dragged through the mud for even considering making a complaint or a criminal report, have to relive the experience throughout the process and then over and over see people in power seemingly get away with it, then you're part of the problem. RDZ may not over committed any offence himself, but this is just so wildly offensive and dumb.
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Greenwood joined Marseille from Manchester United in 2024 after charges against him,which included attempted rape and assault,were dropped. Last November, De Zerbi described him as a "good guy" who paid a "heavy price".
He added at the time: "It saddens me what happened in his life because I know a totally different person than the one who was described."

Show me where in that statement he is enabling or supporting rape, or even saying what he did was ok?
That’s what the post is pointing out by out of context and taking it too far. You are basically slating a guy for stating the person he has got to know is different to what he expected/was described. While there was no point in the tweet to then resort to name calling, what is basically treating the guy as if he was Greenwood himself is frankly ridiculous and way too far.
 
JerusalemMan said:
If you don't think that having a daughter (in most instances) heightens/sharpens sensitivity, perspective and fear around this...then you clearly don't have a daughter. And while that might not have been quite your point, I rather expect it was De Zerbi's.
Which is not to say those who aren't parents to a female do not have empathy and understanding, or that it's only the birth of a girl that can give someone clarity. But I am very aware of people who have experienced a dramatic change in their views and thoughts when they suddenly become responsible for the care and safety of a little girl.
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We're talking about rape and sexual assault. A daughter shouldn't be required to "heighten your sensitivity."
 
demotw said:
Greenwood joined Marseille from Manchester United in 2024 after charges against him,which included attempted rape and assault,were dropped. Last November, De Zerbi described him as a "good guy" who paid a "heavy price".
He added at the time: "It saddens me what happened in his life because I know a totally different person than the one who was described."

Show me where in that statement he is enabling or supporting rape, or even saying what he did was ok?
That’s what the post is pointing out by out of context and taking it too far. You are basically slating a guy for stating the person he has got to know is different to what he expected/was described. While there was no point in the tweet to then resort to name calling, what is basically treating the guy as if he was Greenwood himself is frankly ridiculous and way too far.
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You might want to read my post again champ
 
i think the best sporting events - across all sports - should be devoid of any political agenda.

sure cheating to win has to be frowned upon - because that's fundamental to competition.

as greenwood has not been convicted, I have not born any ill will towards him. i won't want him to come near me or my family but I appreciate him for the sportsperson he is. likewise de zerbi, i see no fault in his comments - just that plenty in the UK like to hold that moral high ground position.

there are other things that sports need to sort out to level the playing field - perfomance enhancing drugs, corruption and gender equality issues and that's enough for the organizers who are often non-profit (and because of that in the best position to sort those issues out).

but i would like to see sports be a place where humans can come together to jump higher, run faster etc,. even better if ex-convicts can use it to rebuild their lives and integrate back into society. pedophiles even - let them compete but have other means to tackle their evil e.g. lists ... or the crowd etc.

back to de zerbi - glad he is here. glad to see he is unapologetic about his stance around greenwood. its a nothing burger that UK fans are making a big deal about. but it shows the character that he is and he will be firm about bringing his identity to the team and hopefully to management who are appearing more clueless by the day (lange just admitted failure to get de zerbi after ange).

100% for de zerbi and hope he gets teh DoF and CEO he needs (goodbye to Lange first) to keep him going.
 
tommysvr said:
We're talking about rape and sexual assault. A daughter shouldn't be required to "heighten your sensitivity."
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Of course it makes men more sensitive around all women's issues if they have a daughter. I have both & I am way more sensitive & protective of my daughter.

RDZ has apologised he hasn't committed a crime as far as I know. Is anyone who sticks up for Greenwood in anyway just scum.

what exactly did you want him to say or do to make you feel better about him being our manger.
 
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