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Roberto De Zerbi *OFFICIAL*

Ace Face said:
Good question.

Winners (if they stay):
Romero, Danso, Gray. Odobert, Tel, Bergvall, Kulu, Kinsky, Xavi

Losers:
Udogie, Sarr, Richie, Vicario
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Other than Vicario who I get why you are saying that, why would the others be losers?

I was watching an interesting video on RDZ the other night, about his system. It ultimately lands on the point that the football is great but that the players are almost completely interchangeable. Individual style is in effect not required.

It made me think that actually this squad, with its heavy complement of box to box 6-8s could be quite good for him. He just needs the players to plug and play, understand rhythm and tempo, understand where the third man needs to be, and go from there.

I would have thought Romeo and VDV would be big winners. I’m not sure who in our squad is a loser really, I think RDZ loses by not having anyone that can play on the right wing. Potentially RKM, Spence or Porro I guess, in a specialised system it could work.
 
Ace Face said:
How many managers last more than two seasons these days?

He is what he is, we know that. His football philosophy and style are what we say we want to see on the pitch. He has PL experience and a good track record of developing young players. He will light the fire under this squad which the majority of us believe is what is needed.

Since when have we, our most other teams in professional football for that matter, had a long term vision which they have successfully stuck with? Sure there are a few, Brighton for example, but they are the minority and even that doesn’t guarantee success.

Let’s get back to playing attractive, entertaining football first before we start worrying about the 27/28 season and onwards.
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Because most clubs are reactionary rather than proactive. Having a clear identity, plan and a structure that is dedicated to following that plan and identity, will almost always yield results. That also means that you can change the manager without destroying everything.

Which clubs clubs in the PL have been most successful in the last 10 years, and what do they have in common?
 
Whoever is our manager has a very difficult task to avoid us getting relegated, I believe too many of our players have let the managers, fans and club down and have been content to hide behind our managers. I've always thought that people don't make mistakes or error on purpose, we nearly all want to do our best but I find the performances of some players unfathomable over the past couple of seasons, some could have problems adapting to change, injury or form but at times there appeared to me that they lacked any self esteem or pride.
I've seen some poor teams in our shirts over the years but I've never felt this way before.
 
harr1984 said:
I certainly wouldn't want to belittle the subject matter, it's an important issue. I don't agree he justified Greenwood's actions by what he said, saying he 'paid a heavy price' is as fact - he did. At no point did he suggest what Greenwood did was ok, but spoke of his personal experience of the guy which is fair enough when he was undoubtedly constantly asked about the player. It's a difficult position for a manager to be in - What would you expect halo wearing Poch to say? That Greenwood is a disgusting human being? I think he like most managers would have said something similar, Getafe's manager wasn't any different.

Personally I haven't seen anything said from him regarding Greenwood to not want him at my club for non footballing reasons but that's just me - With sensitive issues there are bound to be plenty for and against these things. If we were talking about signing Greenwood that would be a different matter - like most I've heard the audio and it's horrific listening. I sincerely hope he is rehabilitating himself, but wouldn't want him doing it anywhere near our club.....
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If 'Halo wearing Poch' had said it instead? Hmm.
I would agree with you, there can be variance in how people choose to view and frame things, depending on who said it, and the affinities entwined.
 
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There is the view that elite sport is about small marginal gains. Players playing just a fraction below their potential can have a large effect. Just not being fully engaged with the managers plan, concerns about their future, or personal problems at home can all have an influence.
 
Kane said:
If 'Halo wearing Poch' had said it instead? Hmm.
I would agree with you, there can be variance in how people choose to view and frame things, depending on who said it, and the affinities entwined.
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Poch appears to be a reasonable feminist. He transformed our dressing room into a mixed sex space (key backroom staff appointments) and one of his core group of coaches is now female (Sylvia Tuya)
 
Kandi1977 said:
Because most clubs are reactionary rather than proactive. Having a clear identity, plan and a structure that is dedicated to following that plan and identity, will almost always yield results. That also means that you can change the manager without destroying everything.

Which clubs clubs in the PL have been most successful in the last 10 years, and what do they have in common?
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This has absolutely been a major factor in why we are where we currently find ourselves. No argument there or wish to rehash the discussion.

It would be great to have a plan, implement it and have it be successful for 5-10 years. We all want what City have, but let's be fair, there aren't too many Pep's out there and none that I know of who would be interested in us. We tried with TF but that didn't work out.

So please name one available manager who you feel confident would implement a progressive system and develop young players while already having PL experience and is available with a track record of sustained top-level success?

Or we could just get behind the new manager and support him, with the intent that in doing so we will give him and our beloved club the best chance of success together for as long as possible, however long that may be.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Irrelevant of the motivations of the investigation, there are fudged statements and strong statements. And they did not have to go into the specifics in any public announcement. At the end of the day we have a criminal case dropped due to new material coming to light and the withdrawal of witnesess. That is the CPS statement. And we have the internal Man Utd investigation, which concluded that the material posted on social media did not articulate the full picture and they were confident he did not commit the actions he was accussed of. We haven't heard any further from those involved and so that's what we have to go on. We don't do trial by assumption, speculation or media in this country and therefore labelling De Zerbi as an apologist for behaviour that all facts available suggest did not actually occur (or at least the facts are far more complicated than some like to make out). "How can he play him, speak about him with sympathy" etc. You are talking about a man talking about a man that as far as evidence goes, hasn't actually been evidenced to have done anything at all.
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MG is one who should have been speaking on his own behalf unless of course the legal team told him not to comment.
 
Ace Face said:
This has absolutely been a major factor in why we are where we currently find ourselves. No argument there or wish to rehash the discussion.

It would be great to have a plan, implement it and have it be successful for 5-10 years. We all want what City have, but let's be fair, there aren't too many Pep's out there and none that I know of who would be interested in us. We tried with TF but that didn't work out.

So please name one available manager who you feel confident would implement a progressive system and develop young players while already having PL experience and is available with a track record of sustained top-level success?

Or we could just get behind the new manager and support him, with the intent that in doing so we will give him and our beloved club the best chance of success together for as long as possible, however long that may be.
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None in the premier league. But you don't need premier league experience to be good at developing players, having a pure focus in improving individuals, team play, team spirit and only thinking performance.
And that alone will be enough not be in danger of getting relegated, and after a few years things will have improved dramatically.
But this needs a completely new mindset of the entire organisation. But that is how you make progress without cheating.
We can't do the 'throw more money at it' model.
 
Kandi1977 said:
None in the premier league. But you don't need premier league experience to be good at developing players, having a pure focus in improving individuals, team play, team spirit and only thinking performance.
And that alone will be enough not be in danger of getting relegated, and after a few years things will have improved dramatically.
But this needs a completely new mindset of the entire organisation. But that is how you make progress without cheating.
We can't do the 'throw more money at it' model.
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Isn't this exactly what RDZ is expected to bring, with the added bonus of having PL experience (which in my mind was Tudor's biggest undoing)?

So, please name one available manager who you feel confident would implement a progressive system and develop young players while already having PL experience and is available with a track record of sustained top-level success?
 
Ace Face said:
Isn't this exactly what RDZ is expected to bring, with the added bonus of having PL experience (which in my mind was Tudor's biggest undoing)?

So, please name one available manager who you feel confident would implement a progressive system and develop young players while already having PL experience and is available with a track record of sustained top-level success?
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The club as a whole isn't equipped for running it that way. Every single one, from top to bottom have to be aligned. And first and foremost, a plan and a vision has to be in place. And it isn't. Far from it!
 
The spurs socials seem a bit quiet on this one. No welcome video of any kind that I’ve seen? I seem to remember TF’s unveiling was awash with vids of him meeting players, taking a fan q&a and all sorts
 
NoLimits01 said:
I haven’t followed this any more than what’s been posted on this site, but isn’t she still with him and now have a child together?

edit: Seen that kb beta me to it
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Believe me the 'having a child together' bit, is no silver bullet to reconcile any relationship with a history of domestic abuse. In fact, now innocent children are inside that bubble. Sad.
 
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