Richarlison

[spurspinter1]

Gotcha on your points, but Son is a striker as well. And bringing in Solomon makes no sense if we don't view Son as a strong option in the center. There's little difference between a LWF and a ST these days depending on the system.

But again, it took Bale 4 great games for you to consider him to own the LW position and a couple to own the right flank and become one of the best in the game there - In your mind he should have remained a LB because he had played more than 100 games in there. I know you won't change your mind on it (and that is why you're unintentionally infuriating to discuss football matters with) but please consider that you're "100 games in that position" is a dumb one. Players evolve and grow in to roles. If Richy can't evolve past Joshua King as a barrier then we should cancel the contract right now but I know he's got the potential.

we can’t wait for him to evolve
We signed a player to do a job
I’m not convinced we signed him as kanes back up either
That seems ti be where conte shove him
Bale evolved at a much younger age, and even then we were happy to sell him and miss out on his talent. Redknapp only played him again because BAE was injured and he was stuck
So I’m not gonna consider my opinion wrong because I don’t think I am. An elite player should have some experience playing the position he is being asked too[/QUOTE]

So you think we signed Richarlison for bricks and giggles? Or to be Son's successor despite Kane's obvious impending contract / career issues.

And Bale had no experience in LW / RW but became elite in those positions despite a lack of experience. Obviously he's an extreme example but in the case of Richy moving from the left the the center it's minimal, players are versatile as he was whilst crushing it in Brazil's front three, things aren't static.

And the only reason Bale emerged in his position is because of Disco Benny's injury, okay mate, why am I bothering to discuss this.... Seriously, convince me because it's obviously not worth it. You are the best WUM because it's never intentional, you just somehow have strong views whilst showing no working out whatsoever, it's infuriating in a fascinating way.

 

[metalgear]

100%
He needs that goal whatever way it comes
We as fans wouldn’t care either way but the release for him would be huge

I doubt a goal is going to help much but we will see. He's scored for us before and it did nothing.

I find him generally not that smart with overall movement and highly inconsistent.

Might have been good enough for Everton but I don't see him as Top 4 quality where you really need smart players with consistent high quality output week in week out.

He might be played out of position so I don't blame him for not scoring. Son and Kulu is finding it hard too in Ange's system.

But it's the simple stuff... First touch is and has always been poor and he has always been weak in hold up play. Passes... Nothing to see there either.

He is #1 in the team for falling down and failed attempts to get fouls though. His determination there is unflappable.

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[DubaiSpur]

One of the things that strikes me at times when watching struggling strikers is what Bobby Soldado said once, back in 2014. He never fit here, and he would go on to leave us having scored just three goals from open play in his time here.

But despite that, nearly every game, he would be serenaded - the Lane ringing to 'Soldado, wo-oah, he came from sunny Spain, to play at White Hart Lane/play with Harry Kane'.

And in an interview in 2014, he was very honest about how that made him feel - awful. Because he had done nothing to deserve the support our fans were giving him, but they kept singing his name anyway. He said then that he wished more than anything he could give happiness to those fans who supported him even when nothing was working, but he just didn't know how, and that hurt him.

And that honesty then got him even more support - he never fired for us, but up until he left, he kept getting his name sung by the fans, and he *never* forgot that. He still talks about it today, a decade on, about how grateful he was for Spurs fans taking him to heart even when he'd failed.

The reason I bring it up is because Soldado admitting that took a lot of introspection, and it showed us that he *knew* he wasn't cutting it - but he was trying all he could to change that. That was what mattered, why he had that bond with us - the honesty, and the commitment to keep trying.

Richarlison strikes me as someone with that sort of introspection. He's brutally honest about himself and in general, and has the intelligence to know he's having a series of terrible performances trying to replace our talisman.

I think, like Soldado, a little support would go a long way in his case. He seems like an emotional guy, and if we can get him wanting to run through brick walls for the fans that sing his name, like we did with Bobby Soldier - one thing we will get back, 100%, is ironclad commitment to run and run and run until his legs fall off.

And if that brings goals, great. If not, well, we move on. But for now, I think we should give him the support we gave Soldado, and see where that takes us.

 

[Lilbaz]

One of the things that strikes me at times when watching struggling strikers is what Bobby Soldado said once, back in 2014. He never fit here, and he would go on to leave us having scored just three goals from open play in his time here.

But despite that, nearly every game, he would be serenaded - the Lane ringing to 'Soldado, wo-oah, he came from sunny Spain, to play at White Hart Lane/play with Harry Kane'.

And in an interview in 2014, he was very honest about how that made him feel - awful. Because he had done nothing to deserve the support our fans were giving him, but they kept singing his name anyway. He said then that he wished more than anything he could give happiness to those fans who supported him even when nothing was working, but he just didn't know how, and that hurt him.

And that honesty then got him even more support - he never fired for us, but up until he left, he kept getting his name sung by the fans, and he *never* forgot that. He still talks about it today, a decade on, about how grateful he was for Spurs fans taking him to heart even when he'd failed.

The reason I bring it up is because Soldado admitting that took a lot of introspection, and it showed us that he *knew* he wasn't cutting it - but he was trying all he could to change that. That was what mattered, why he had that bond with us - the honesty, and the commitment to keep trying.

Richarlison strikes me as someone with that sort of introspection. He's brutally honest about himself and in general, and has the intelligence to know he's having a series of terrible performances trying to replace our talisman.

I think, like Soldado, a little support would go a long way in his case. He seems like an emotional guy, and if we can get him wanting to run through brick walls for the fans that sing his name, like we did with Bobby Soldier - one thing we will get back, 100%, is ironclad commitment to run and run and run until his legs fall off.

And if that brings goals, great. If not, well, we move on. But for now, I think we should give him the support we gave Soldado, and see where that takes us.

Great post. Yes we should support any player that sets foot on the pitch in our shirt. That tries to do their best.

Still would like an option from the bench though.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Great post. Yes we should support any player that sets foot on the pitch in our shirt. That tries to do their best.

Still would like an option from the bench though.

Oh, for sure. I think, apart from his honesty, we were unusually patient with Soldado in part because we had Harry Kane explode onto the scene at the end of 2013-2014 to give us an alternative option to place our hopes in when Soldado wasn't working.

We're missing that option right now. Veliz isn't it rn since he won't play for a while yet, and we need someone else.

 

[Lilbaz]

Oh, for sure. I think, apart from his honesty, we were unusually patient with Soldado in part because we had Harry Kane explode onto the scene at the end of 2013-2014 to give us an alternative option to place our hopes in when Soldado wasn't working.

We're missing that option right now. Veliz isn't it rn since he won't play for a while yet, and we need someone else.

Adebayor was there too?

 

[DubaiSpur]

Adebayor was there too?

Yep, but by the start of the Poch era it was clear we weren't relying on him beyond the first few games, and it was equally clear he didn't fit what Poch wanted to do.

By the time Soldado gave the interview I'm talking about in late 2014, it was between him and Harry - and he would lose that battle shortly afterwards.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yep, but by the start of the Poch era it was clear we weren't relying on him beyond the first few games, and it was equally clear he didn't fit what Poch wanted to do.

By the time Soldado gave the interview I'm talking about in late 2014, it was between him and Harry - and he would lose that battle shortly afterwards.

He lost it under sherwood. Adebayor was starting in front of him then Kane started banging in goals.

 

[Jurgen the German]

One of the things that strikes me at times when watching struggling strikers is what Bobby Soldado said once, back in 2014. He never fit here, and he would go on to leave us having scored just three goals from open play in his time here.

But despite that, nearly every game, he would be serenaded - the Lane ringing to 'Soldado, wo-oah, he came from sunny Spain, to play at White Hart Lane/play with Harry Kane'.

And in an interview in 2014, he was very honest about how that made him feel - awful. Because he had done nothing to deserve the support our fans were giving him, but they kept singing his name anyway. He said then that he wished more than anything he could give happiness to those fans who supported him even when nothing was working, but he just didn't know how, and that hurt him.

And that honesty then got him even more support - he never fired for us, but up until he left, he kept getting his name sung by the fans, and he *never* forgot that. He still talks about it today, a decade on, about how grateful he was for Spurs fans taking him to heart even when he'd failed.

The reason I bring it up is because Soldado admitting that took a lot of introspection, and it showed us that he *knew* he wasn't cutting it - but he was trying all he could to change that. That was what mattered, why he had that bond with us - the honesty, and the commitment to keep trying.

Richarlison strikes me as someone with that sort of introspection. He's brutally honest about himself and in general, and has the intelligence to know he's having a series of terrible performances trying to replace our talisman.

I think, like Soldado, a little support would go a long way in his case. He seems like an emotional guy, and if we can get him wanting to run through brick walls for the fans that sing his name, like we did with Bobby Soldier - one thing we will get back, 100%, is ironclad commitment to run and run and run until his legs fall off.

And if that brings goals, great. If not, well, we move on. But for now, I think we should give him the support we gave Soldado, and see where that takes us.

To be fair to our fans I think they have been behind him from what I’ve seen and heard. Definitely heard no grumbles or criticism directed at him like Royal got last season, nothing of the sort. I posted previously that I’ve been underwhelmed since he signed but I would prefer if he proved me wrong and we didn’t have to go back into the market and spend another £30-80m.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

One of the things that strikes me at times when watching struggling strikers is what Bobby Soldado said once, back in 2014. He never fit here, and he would go on to leave us having scored just three goals from open play in his time here.

But despite that, nearly every game, he would be serenaded - the Lane ringing to 'Soldado, wo-oah, he came from sunny Spain, to play at White Hart Lane/play with Harry Kane'.

And in an interview in 2014, he was very honest about how that made him feel - awful. Because he had done nothing to deserve the support our fans were giving him, but they kept singing his name anyway. He said then that he wished more than anything he could give happiness to those fans who supported him even when nothing was working, but he just didn't know how, and that hurt him.

And that honesty then got him even more support - he never fired for us, but up until he left, he kept getting his name sung by the fans, and he *never* forgot that. He still talks about it today, a decade on, about how grateful he was for Spurs fans taking him to heart even when he'd failed.

The reason I bring it up is because Soldado admitting that took a lot of introspection, and it showed us that he *knew* he wasn't cutting it - but he was trying all he could to change that. That was what mattered, why he had that bond with us - the honesty, and the commitment to keep trying.

Richarlison strikes me as someone with that sort of introspection. He's brutally honest about himself and in general, and has the intelligence to know he's having a series of terrible performances trying to replace our talisman.

I think, like Soldado, a little support would go a long way in his case. He seems like an emotional guy, and if we can get him wanting to run through brick walls for the fans that sing his name, like we did with Bobby Soldier - one thing we will get back, 100%, is ironclad commitment to run and run and run until his legs fall off.

And if that brings goals, great. If not, well, we move on. But for now, I think we should give him the support we gave Soldado, and see where that takes us.

Great post
And very true
Some people may think Richy is trying but I just can’t see that myself
Arguably he is trying too hard

 

[Spur of the moment]

How long do you back him for? He will get more games as we don’t have anyone else but if he’s still not scored or only has 1 or 2 goals after say 12 games then I would say that is cause for concern.

Maybe not the same but worth remembering we had to wait fully seven PL games for Kane to notch his first PL goal of season 2021/22 and all the way through to 19 December 2021 for only his second in the League that season. He finished with 17 PL goals from 37 apps but few would argue his form had not been badly affected by the intense media frenzy over his transfer request the previous summer.

Maybe for Richarlison it's the added pressure of having to fill Kane's boots that is now getting to him.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Maybe not the same but worth remembering we had to wait fully seven PL games for Kane to notch his first PL goal of season 2021/22 and all the way through to 19 December 2021 for only his second in the League that season. He finished with 17 PL goals from 37 apps but few would argue his form had not been badly affected by the intense media frenzy over his transfer request the previous summer.

Maybe for Richarlison it's the added pressure of having to fill Kane's boots that is now getting to him.

I think it’s the pressure of playing for a winning team for a start
He knows he has to contribute but in reality he has always played for teams that struggle
He is now playing for a team that isn’t. One that keeps the ball and need a player to support that style
That’s new for him and only something he experienced with Brazil who also dominate games
I’m still convinced he goes down more than he should because it’s a tactic that works at Watford and Everton to help them get up the pitch (winning free kicks)
So for him there are a LOT of changes
He just needs that big of luck to get him started

 

[Grays_1890]

One of the things that strikes me at times when watching struggling strikers is what Bobby Soldado said once, back in 2014. He never fit here, and he would go on to leave us having scored just three goals from open play in his time here.

But despite that, nearly every game, he would be serenaded - the Lane ringing to 'Soldado, wo-oah, he came from sunny Spain, to play at White Hart Lane/play with Harry Kane'.

And in an interview in 2014, he was very honest about how that made him feel - awful. Because he had done nothing to deserve the support our fans were giving him, but they kept singing his name anyway. He said then that he wished more than anything he could give happiness to those fans who supported him even when nothing was working, but he just didn't know how, and that hurt him.

And that honesty then got him even more support - he never fired for us, but up until he left, he kept getting his name sung by the fans, and he *never* forgot that. He still talks about it today, a decade on, about how grateful he was for Spurs fans taking him to heart even when he'd failed.

The reason I bring it up is because Soldado admitting that took a lot of introspection, and it showed us that he *knew* he wasn't cutting it - but he was trying all he could to change that. That was what mattered, why he had that bond with us - the honesty, and the commitment to keep trying.

Richarlison strikes me as someone with that sort of introspection. He's brutally honest about himself and in general, and has the intelligence to know he's having a series of terrible performances trying to replace our talisman.

I think, like Soldado, a little support would go a long way in his case. He seems like an emotional guy, and if we can get him wanting to run through brick walls for the fans that sing his name, like we did with Bobby Soldier - one thing we will get back, 100%, is ironclad commitment to run and run and run until his legs fall off.

And if that brings goals, great. If not, well, we move on. But for now, I think we should give him the support we gave Soldado, and see where that takes us.

Bang on pal

Thankfully from the video I posted it looks like the fans were giving him vocals at the game yesterday, long may it continue.

The thing is, he alluded to what you said in the interview this week and spoke really well about it, replacing Kane etc as has Ange, I don't think it's fair to chuck away their assessment after 3 games.

At the moment things look bright, let's back the bloke and see how a long run does for him.

At the end of the day, as with the comments under Conte about Bissouma and Co, what he wants go's so we will have no choice but to get aboard the good ship hope and back him ferociously on the terraces, that would be the right thing to do given the new era

 

[DubaiSpur]

He lost it under sherwood. Adebayor was starting in front of him then Kane started banging in goals.

Not quite. I'd say Kane hit a few at the end of 13/14, then Adebayor and Soldado started 14/15, then Kane came in and it was between him and Soldado for a while until that Chelsea game in January 2015 when Kane permanently took over.

You can see Soldado's starts here -

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rob...14&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

..they're more fits and starts than I recall tbf, but they fall off a cliff after that Chelsea game.

Adebayor's here -

https://www.transfermarkt.us/emmanu...14&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

They completely fell off by November 2014.

Here's Kane's from that season - he only consistently starts around November.

https://www.transfermarkt.us/harry-...14&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=

So, I'd suggest the story of the season is - Adebayor starts, then he drops out, then Soldado and Kane battle for a month or two, then Kane just dominates for the rest of the season.

 

[DubaiSpur]

To be fair to our fans I think they have been behind him from what I’ve seen and heard. Definitely heard no grumbles or criticism directed at him like Royal got last season, nothing of the sort. I posted previously that I’ve been underwhelmed since he signed but I would prefer if he proved me wrong and we didn’t have to go back into the market and spend another £30-80m.

Oh, for sure, I agree. Outside of a few moans and groans when he misses a chance, I haven't heard much grumbling either. I mean more in a going forward sense, it would be good to keep supporting him and see if that helps him through his rut.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Oh, for sure, I agree. Outside of a few moans and groans when he misses a chance, I haven't heard much grumbling either. I mean more in a going forward sense, it would be good to keep supporting him and see if that helps him through his rut.

The fans will support him as king a she keeps on trying… which I think is a given

but I also think the fans won’t accept the club not making more buys in that part of the pitch to create the competition needed

 

[DubaiSpur]

The fans will support him as king a she keeps on trying… which I think is a given

but I also think the fans won’t accept the club not making more buys in that part of the pitch to create the competition needed

Also true, and one needs to get over the line this week.

Although, I am still not convinced we're looking for a specialized striker - I have a funny feeling we might go for someone like Nicolas Gonzalez at Fiorentina, who can play LW and CF, which gives us options for both and allows us to rotate both Son and Richy.

 

[Lilbaz]

Also true, and one needs to get over the line this week.

Although, I am still not convinced we're looking for a specialized striker - I have a funny feeling we might go for someone like Nicolas Gonzalez at Fiorentina, who can play LW and CF, which gives us options for both and allows us to rotate both Son and Richy.

We have perisic and solomon that can play there.

 

[Grays_1890]

The fans will support him as king a she keeps on trying… which I think is a given

but I also think the fans won’t accept the club not making more buys in that part of the pitch to create the competition needed

As much as we need competition, the situations get heighten with the obsession with transfer windows. With Spurs we go in waves, I know we have to strive to improve, its the name of the game, but we seem to identify the defence as a problem, as that's addressed we then see a chorus of "now the attacks not up the snuff" rest assured if that's addressed we will be back on the full backs then its the midfield who will be fodder.

I slightly jest but it certainly feels that way at times.

I think its also key to remember that we are three games into a new dawn and for me, more key than us buying a host of new players is the yards we put in on the training ground to improve the collective, so far, from what I can see that's where the gains are being made. With Ange I get the impression he also relishes that part and part of his mentality is the fact he thinks he can makes improvements. That's not to say we should leave him in the learch but as I started out, slight disproportionate views on the transfer market IMO.

 

[Spur of the moment]

Very noticeable in the pre-match build up yesterday how much the cameras were on Richy. Going by his occasional glance up at the screen, that residual scowl and his subsequent performance it seemed to me it was all getting to him.